Entertaining doesn't make for an automatically great match. Austin and HHH wrestled a completely tameless and tepid opening fall, complete with moves and sequences which resembled your average WWF match at the time. It should have been a wild and uncontrolled brawl, rather than tame and ineffective bodypart work. Personally I think the 2/3 falls format killed it tbh, since it forced them to basically plot around each fall and meant that they had to overcompensate in the second fall for the lackluster opening, which is a shame because many Lucha brawls have occurred under a 2/3 falls format and worked perfectly.
HHH/HBK is just hurt by Michaels being bi-polar, half the time they're trying to convince me he's past his prime and giving me cause for concern to see if he can win the match, the next minute he's a bloody psycho trying to murder HHH. I've said it before on here when talking about the match, but they essentially worked the beginning of a feud and a feud ender into two halfs of a match. If the whole match had been about HBK making his comeback the sole focus of the match and winning only for HHH to then do the post-match assault, then I most likely would have enjoyed it more. And of course them then having some blood soaked epic a few months later with Michaels now being entirely focused on hurting HHH, rather than trying to prove he still had it in him could have made for a good match (though Bad Blood 2004 doesn't give me great confidence that a drawn out bloody 'EPIC' between them would have been up to much).
I can see why both matches have their fans, but both are incredibly flawed in their execution. And as for Angle, he doesn't necessarily 'suck', but rather he alienates a certain section of fans who watch matches for performances, character work and smartly worked matches. I have no qualms with the popularity he receives for his work, even if I think a lot of his incredibly flawed. What infuriates me more is that people cannot process the idea he may have faults and issues which divide wrestling fans, you don't have to agree with these so called issues but to try and pretend they don't exist serves little purpose on a discussion forum.
If people love Angle, super. Good for you because he's obviously meeting your requirements for a 'good match', for others however will vary as what impresses most can irritate others, and therefore there's always going to be debates about wrestlers whether they be Flair, Austin, Funk, Lawler, Eddie, Mysterio, Cena, Angle, HHH, HBK etc because no two fans are the same.
Originally Posted by KingCal
Damn, not a great night for me in here. Everyone
loving matches I find many, MANY faults with