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Old 08-09-2012, 04:26 PM   #4641 (permalink)
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I love the 2005 Chamber match, everything about it from the line-up to the match quality, except HHH winning it. It might have to do with the fact I've been going back to watch the previous years and at that point, HHH rarely loses ever and until Goldberg, I don't know if he lost any matches in 2003 (save for meaningless tag matches)

As for religion, it ruined HBK's character? But it saved his life and let us have 8 more years of an awesome career with classic matches!
I remember 2003, HHH never won clean even. Always had evolution interfere, mostly flair. Before Goldberg feud, it was mostly WCW rejects Steiner, Booker and Nash. So it made sense imo.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:44 PM   #4642 (permalink)
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Yeah I got no problems with HBK's religion either, it made him a more grounded person I got no issue with it. Continuing with my 2005 PPV Main Events...

Quick Thoughts: JBL/Show was meh, Batista/HHH was yay and Batista/HHH was even better.

JBL vs. Big Show- Barbed Wire Steel Cage Match (WWE Heavyweight Championship)
WWE No Way Out ‘05


-The first half dragged and their constant ignoring the door pissed me off, made even worse when The Cabinet interfered with bolt cutters and ignored the door. They hit a few big spots like a Big Show Powerbomb (which got RVD chants), and the clothesline from hell countered into the chokeslam. The biggest spot came when Show top rope chokeslamed JBL through the ring. Big Show breaks the chain off the door and leaves and procrastinates so that JBL can crawl out from under the ring and get the win, wasn’t a big fan of that finish but they needed a copout I guess. This was a decent big man match that would’ve been much better without the stip and crappy first half. I’ll give Big Show credit for his facial expressions during and after the match. Batista showing up on a Smackdown PPV was epic.
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Triple H vs. Dave Batista (World Heavyweight Championship)
WWE Wrestlemania 21


-One of my all time favorite buildups to a WM and an equally great match. 7 Years later and the entrances alone still gives me goosebumps. I loved the dynamics that each man played in this match, Dave staying true to the power game since he doesn’t have the experience while Triple H uses his ring savvy to outwit Batista. Triple H did a great job of dictating the pace of the match so that Batista comeback would be bigger down the stretch. Batista knocked the fuck out of HHH with one of the clotheslines in the corner at one point and the finish was absolutely excellent. This may not be the greatest match ever but both guys hauled ass and put on a quality Mania main event and when Big Dave won you knew a superstar was born that night.
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Dave Batista vs. Triple H (World Heavyweight Championship)
WWE Backlash ‘05


-This was a really good rematch for the strap. Now here I really liked how the dynamics of the match was built around whether or not HHH could hit the Pedigree on Big Dave, the one move he couldn’t hit on him at Mania. In this match they worked at a much quicker pace and a lot more back and forth with a good amount of high impact moves. Mike Chioda’s selling was on point and the finishing stretch was well done allowing HHH to remain strong while keeping the belt on Batista to set up their later HIAC. Overall, I’d probably say that this match is a little better than their Mania match.
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I didn't find the H/Batista matches (aside from HIAC, which was amazing) to be all that great at the time. Haven't seen them since but I remember being pretty disappointed. Found Batista to still be pretty green.
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I like that barbed wire steel cage match. The first half was slow but builds up into the unique stipulation with not only a cage around them, but also barbed wire surrounding it, making an escape harder (despite the door being right there). I also liked the ending which I found pretty creative and one that played to the "JBL is a champion that does anything to keep his title" thing since most of his title defenses were unclean. Cena and specially Batista appearing post-match was rather random, though.

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I remember 2003, HHH never won clean even. Always had evolution interfere, mostly flair. Before Goldberg feud, it was mostly WCW rejects Steiner, Booker and Nash. So it made sense imo.
Yeah, but he always was the winner of the feuds in some way. Those names you named, he beat them all clean at some point and he should have put over Booker IMO.
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I like that barbed wire steel cage match. The first half was slow but builds up into the unique stipulation with not only a cage around them, but also barbed wire surrounding it, making an escape harder (despite the door being right there). I also liked the ending which I found pretty creative and one that played to the "JBL is a champion that does anything to keep his title" thing since most of his title defenses were unclean. Cena and specially Batista appearing post-match was rather random, though.



Yeah, but he always was the winner of the feuds in some way. Those names you named, he beat them all clean at some point and he should have put over Booker IMO.
I think the Batista part came from WWE teasing Batista choosing JBL to face instead of Triple H. So to have him come out sort of made sense.
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Like I said JBL/Show was decent for me but the first half and them conveniently ignoring the door really bought it down. I can forgive the finish no doubt because as you said Choke2Death it was creative and I personally understood why they did it. I just think that if they didn't have the match stip, the first half would've been so much better.

Brye is right in that they were teasing Batista defecting over to Smackdown to challenge JBL for the WWE Title so they had a mini feud on Smackdown while Cena won a #1 Contender's Match against Angle I think that same night. This was back when the draft was in full effect so seeing guys on opposite brands was a rarity.

Batista/HHH From WM21 like I said was a solid Mania match, but not memorable. Meanwhile, the rematch at Backlash was most definitely better in match quality and better worked which is why I gave that one the nod over the Mania match. I can understand though if those matches weren't everyones cup of tea, but from a biased standpoint moreso the Mania match than the much better Backlash one.
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But hadn't Batista already decided to fight HHH at Mania at that point? Because that's the only way to make sense out of Cena/Angle having a #1 Contender match for JBL's title. I have not reached 2005 yet, so maybe I'll understand it better when I get there. That sound like a real interesting year, though.
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But hadn't Batista already decided to fight HHH at Mania at that point? Because that's the only way to make sense out of Cena/Angle having a #1 Contender match for JBL's title. I have not reached 2005 yet, so maybe I'll understand it better when I get there. That sound like a real interesting year, though.
I'm not sure, tbh. For some reason I feel like the limo nearly running down Batista thing had happened on Raw or SD the week before No Way Out which was Trips' ploy to trick Batista. And then I feel like either the Raw after NWO or the next week Batista had the contract signing where he turned.

That was such a well done storyline.
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Yep Brye pretty much has it down.

Basically after Batista won the Rumble Triple H wanted Batista to go to smackdown and win the WWE Championship with the notion that Evolution will rule both brands, he didn't want Batista to choose him but Batista continued to "evaluate his options". JBL cut a promo if I remember about Batista which Triple H used as leverage to set Batista up with the whole limo thing using an imitation of JBL's limo, Batista went to Smackdown and destroyed JBL's limo then attacked him again at NWO. The RAW after the PPV was the contract signing in which Batista found out that Triple H had set him up and from there is history.

Now If I remember Theodore Long had arranged a #1 Contender's tournament to crown someone to face JBL just in case Batista didn't choose Smackdown, if he did it would've been a Triple Threat at WM21. Of course, Cena ended up winning that night and went on to face JBL at Mania. Can't remember all the details but it mostly among those lines.
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Triple H PPV Matches : The List (****)

21. BL 00 vs The Rock
22. WM 22 vs John Cena
23. SS 98 vs The Rock
24. WM 17 vs The Undertaker
25. BL 06 vs Edge vs John Cena
26. NM 08 vs Jeff Hardy
27. NOC 11 vs CM Punk
28. SS 04 Raw Elimination Tag
29. WM XIX vs Booker T
30. IYH 16 vs Mankind
31. NOC 08 vs John Cena
32. KOTR 97 vs Mankind
33. NYR 06 vs Big Show
34. BL 01 W/SCSA vs The Brothers of Destruction
35. SS 09 DX vs Legacy
36. WM 00 vs Big Show vs The Rock vs Mick Foley
37. SS 97 vs Mankind
38. NWO 09 SD Elimination Chamber
39. SS 09 vs John Cena vs Shawn Michaels
40. ONO 97 vs Dude Love
41. IYH 28 vs Xpac
42. UNF 02 vs Rob Van Dam
43. BB 04 vs Shawn Michaels
44. ARM 00 HIAC

Some REALLY controversial picks here for a lot of people (BL 01 Tag, vs Punk , vs HBK HIAC, all the Foley matches) , if you disagree with all of my choices like most people will probably do, feel free to tell me about it. Thought these matches were probably the sleeper matches of HHH's PPV tenure in the WWE : IYH 28 vs X-Pac (Pac's best PPV singles bout, and the birth of "The Game" persona on PPV), NYR 06 vs Big Show (Psychology bitches, the cerebral assassin is at his finest when he's working an injured body part) , and of course the various matches with Foley. When I post the top 20, I'm going to take in all of the ratings and calculate who Hunter's 5 best opponents of all time are, and I'm pretty sure you can guess just by looking at my list and looking at what ISN'T on there who's going to be number one.

Love the Summerslam Ladder match with Rocky ALMOST as much as the Backlash match, although I believe neither of them even come close to touching their best contest. Every single match on the list from 26-21 could be bumped up a quarter of a star depending on how I feel when I watch it, but I just have them there for now.

PS: Why doesn't everybody love the 2 Man Power Trip vs BOD ? What the hell is wrong with you guys ?!?!
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