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Old 03-18-2012, 07:15 AM   #451 (permalink)
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So, what are your guys favourite matches of Christian?

I for one am a big fan of that one IC Title Match against Benjamin, I think it was at survivior series?
Yeah, its from Survivor Series 04. One of my favourite Christian matches too. I also love:

Vs Jack Swagger ECW 24/02/2009 (second best match of 09 imo)
Vs William Regal ECW 10/11/2009 (was there live)
w/Kane Vs William Regal & Ezekiel Jackson ECW 26/01/2010 (incredible tag match)
Vs Drew McIntyre Smackdown 16/07/2010 & Smackdown 30/07/2010

Hell, almost anything the guy did since returning to WWE was good and fun. Then for stuff before his return, there are plenty of tag matches with Edge, as well as his singles matches against the likes of Randy Orton, Chris Jericho and others.
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Old 03-18-2012, 07:24 AM   #452 (permalink)
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And how is the vengeance 2005 triple threat? I want to check it out later but did you guys liked it. I mean a big critic point is obviously that cc didn't won but...
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Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat Chi-Town Rumble 1989
A fun match, that kept me entertained throughout. I didn't even knew this match went 23 minutes till it was announced when the match was over. It flew by so fast. I felt the pacing to be a bit off though and the psychology was lacking in the sense that Flair never really went after Steamboat's leg, even after putting him in the figure four leg lock. That and the match just felt like who's the better chopper. Still, a fun memorable match with some simple yet effective spots.

****

BTW, I'm finally getting around to watching the Flair/Steamboat bouts. It's so hard to find the matches on Youtube so it's taking a while. I'll probably have to check XWT-Classics but then again my ratio is so poor on that site. Anyway, which bouts do you recommend? And which one(s) is/are your favourite? I see Meltzer has Chi-Town Rumble at *****. Must have had to witness the match at the time and be a part of the build and what not to really, really enjoy that one it seems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7lm5XHxvmA

My personal favorite of the series. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. It seems this match is virtually unknown.
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And how is the vengeance 2005 triple threat? I want to check it out later but did you guys liked it. I mean a big critic point is obviously that cc didn't won but...
I remember it being pretty good. Angle/HBK and the HIAC match blew it away, but the entire PPV was really fucking good anyway and that was just another really good match on a very strong card.

Re: Flair/Steamboat - 2 out of 3 falls Clash match remains my absolute favourite bout between them. Still need to watch some of their older matches though, such as that one from 84. Got something crazy like 20 matches between them (some JIP, some full, some terrible quality lol) on discs, but its getting around to watching them and trying to not burn myself out on their matches (like some people did during the WCW Poll we recently did, and that was only with... 8 matches I think).
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Terry Funk vs Scott Hall
**3/4

Halloween Havoc 1989
Terry Funk & The Great Muta vs Ric Flair & Sting
***1/2

NWA 15/11/89 - I Quit Match
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Honestly, it seems as if the Flair/Steamboat bouts were extraordinary for their time but it seems as if they haven't age well. And it's not because the matches are bad, that 1984 match I give ****1/2. It had great pacing, it was a good old school style match where simple but effective moves were used and it got the job done.

The problem is some spots such as the one at the end where Flair took Steamboat over with the headlock, Steamboat countered into the head scissors and Flair went for the pin and Steamboat reversed with the backslide have been overused to death nowadays. Heck those kind of spots take place within the first 2 minutes of matches nowadays. Not to mention the ridiculously fast pace at which it occurs. This is why I complain about indy wrestling and made a thread about in the Other section. And I'm not trying to stir a pot there, I'm just saying that the more and more high impact moves become regular moves the more unbelievable and hard to sell wrestling becomes. When roll ups are over used they lose the magical feel of the babyface trying to give it all that he's got left in the tank to win this. or the heel outsmarting the face and you're thinking "holy shit" There was a point in time in Japan where guys were kicking out of piledrivers after 1. When the audience is told to believe that you can take a brainbuster followed up with shining wizard followed up by a top rope suplex into another suplex on the floor and still kick out, then what could possibly end a match?

And the indies are not guilty of this alone. I look at Bret Hart vs Steve Austin WM XIII and think damn what a great match. Talk about a ****1/2 match. Only to figure out that the time this was considered a ***** match? By the late 90s, that's the kind of matches we were getting on RAW. That style of wrestling (the brawling, hard hitting style) became the norm. What was once seen as extraordinary is now seen as ordinary.

I'm a fan of that old school style of wrestling that Flair/Steamboat match from 84 demonstrated, but I'm pretty a lot of new school fans aren't gonna have that match any higher than ***1/2. The opening 10 minutes would have put lots of people to sleep.

Pro wrestling has evolved so much over the years that these classic matches are soon becoming just great matches. 20 years from now classics of this time would be seen as just great matches as well. The only thing I'm worried about is WWE turning to the indy style of wrestling that's all about hard hitting, high impact move after high impact move. That may be the day I stop watching wrestling. There's no way I could ever be sold on that style of wrestling.

Then again the WWE did manage to revert itself from the fast paced, brawling style they carried in the Attitude Era back to the old school, more technical side by 2000 (while they were still in the Attitude Era) and by the time the Attitude Era ended, the only time we got those brawling type matches was when it was needed i.e. in matches like HIAC, street fights etc. So in the mean time I'm keeping my fingers crosed that WWE sticks to their more traditional style of wrestling and of course you will always have wrestlers adding a little spice of their characters into their matches such as Ziggler.
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Halloween Havoc 1989
Terry Funk & The Great Muta vs Ric Flair & Sting
***1/2

NWA 15/11/89 - I Quit Match
Terry Funk vs Ric Flair*****
Hell yes. One of my fav matches of all time. I remember watching this live with my Dad who likes Funk and I was rooting for Flair. I was 9. Good times haha.
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:49 PM   #458 (permalink)
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Got some PPVs come through the post today so I'm going to just give some snowflakes out and just brief opinions on them. I picked one at random and chose Vengeance 2005, so here we go.

Vengeance 2005

Intercontinental Championship
Carlito (C) vs. Shelton Benjamin
**1/2 - Match came off quite boring to be honest, you would expect more from these two

Singles Match
Victoria (C) vs. Christy Hemme
* - Meh

Singles Match
Kane vs. Edge w/ Lita
***1/4 - Wasn't an amazing match in terms of quality, but it was definitely fun to watch, Coach is hilarious on commentary as well

The Wrestlemania Rematch
Shawn Michaels vs. Kurt Angle
****3/4 - Preferred this over their WM match by a fair bit, should definitely watch this if you havent already

WWE Championship - Triple Threat
John Cena (c) vs. Christian vs. Chris Jericho
****

World Heavyweight Championship - Hell In A Cell
Batista (c) vs. Triple H
****1/4


Overall, I would definitely recomend this PPV to anybody. Two strong MOTY contenders in the form of HBK/Angle and Batista/HHH, along with two solid matches in the Triple Threat and Kane/Edge. Carlito vs. Shelton could have been more on a different day, I just wasn't that in to it, whilst the Victoria/Christy match was nothing special whatsoever and definitely a pissbreak. I'd say, overall, the PPV gets a solid **** - ****1/4
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Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho Summerslam 2000
First off I'd just like to say that I remember the build for this match as if it were yesterday. I'll never forget that night I sat there on the floor (as I always watched wrestling back then, eyes glued onto the TV) wondering if Jericho was dead after Benoit attacked him and slammed the gate on him. I believe it was this feud that really turned be into a Jerichoholic becuase I just found it damn funny when he called Benoit a jackass. This was a match I wanted to see really badly at the time, but didn't have PPV thus couldn't see it. Well here we are 12 years later and my wish as a 5 year old has finally been granted.

Now onto the match. This is a great match. First off, if the words 2 out of 3 falls means nothing but chain wrestling go ahead and give this match ***1/2 while you're at it (I'm looking at you the Dave Meltzer's of the world) but this is a match between two men who HATE each other. Who has time to feel out the other? Right off the bat the match goes into a brawl. Jericho pummels away at Benoit on the outside and Benoit rebounds by slamming Jericho into the post. A well placed shoulder breaker sets the pace for the night and within the early minutes of the match fall 1 goes to Benoit as Jericho taps out to the crippler cross face.

This match was built around Benoit damaging the shoulder of Jericho. Every german suplex Benoit hit, he applied the weight on the left shoulder of Jericho. When Jericho would hit a move, he would the shoulder immediately after. Jericho successfully attempts the Walls of Jericho after trying to turn Benoit over with his injured shoulder. Fall number 2 goes to Jericho.

A couple more minutes and the two men are going at it, Benoit attacking the shoulder. Jericho trying to recover it after hitting Benoit with every that he has. The match ends with Jericho attempting to pin Benoit but at this point there's no strength left in the shoulder. Benoit reverses it, uses the rope for leverage and boy oh boy was a beats of a match this was. Just pure intensity and amazing psychology.

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Disagree about the Flair/Steamboat matches not holding up over the years. It's been a while since I've seen them but the last time I did they still had the all-time classic feel.
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