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Really liked Angle in 00 and 01, then after that, like Yeah, I only like him against certain guys.
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Angle was perfectly acceptable in 2000-2001, largely because he was the rookie and thus it was up to the vets to call and build the matches around Angle's signature offence. The longer Angle stayed in the company the more he grew into that Veteran role and therefore by the time he was working a lot of his opponents he was the guy building the vast majority of the match which is where a lot of his problems have forever existed. He's not a student of the game and doesn't have that inside knowledge that the likes of Finlay, Funk, Flair, Regal etc have with regards to working a crowd and a character and getting the most out of very little.

The problem with a lot of his matches now is they're entirely dependant on the moves, things like the perfunctory matwork at the beginning of an Angle match feel empty and just an excuse to trade holds, rather than developing either character and building to the next sequence, as evidenced by Angle more often than not working co-operatively with wrestlers when he's billed as a wrestling machine. I think I saw someone on DVDVR talk about how during a Storm/Angle match Tenay and Taz talked up how Storm would have to utilise his brawling to combat Angle's amateur pedigre....but Storm then went on to gain the advantage in the wrestling section of the match and Angle resorted to the brawling. It just seemed ass backwards as to what should have been going on in the match, and they didn't even work to build the 'Angle is getting out wrestled' portion of the match, it was over before it even began and they then went into more of a brawling/trading signature offence spell. His matches just feel devoid of structure and simplicity like you see with people who understand the business, cool little stories that can build in a match, e.g heel being humiliated and working to try and gain an advantage never appear in Angle matches, because he feels its beneath him or he just doesn't care. Either way his style is long past the point where I care to watch a match of his unless someone with who I'm generally on point with pimps it as must see, I will say though Jarrett is by far the best opponent he can have in TNA.

Anyways, onto a guy I actually think is worth a damn:

Drew Mcintyre v Sin Cara, WWE Superstars 07/26/12

Total Drew formula match here, and the best Cara match to date as a result. Cara is slowly becoming one of the most awful guys inside a WWE ring I can remember, he just looks so slow and clunky in every movement he makes and his bumping and theatrics just look terribly out of place, like what Rey Mysterio would be if he wasn't a very smart wrestler who knew how to make the most out of his offence and build a match around his comeback. Cara actually does a half decent job at selling the workover, even if it doesn't really play into any spots bar Drew's awesome powerbomb counter to a hurricanrana. Like nearly every Drew match he busts out some incredibly creative offence, especially the hammerlock back suplex which looked really awesome. His shoulderbreaker onto the ring apron spot was also a killer transition spot that you come to associate with Mcintyre matches, and he bumps and eats all of Cara's offence tremendously and manages to ensure there are no awkward looking sequences. Finish wasn't too brilliant, more the standard face catches heel off guard spot that when executed well is a terrific finish, but if not executed all that smartly can leave you rather disappointed. Anyways its a fine match and definitely the sort of match you'd show to someone you were trying to convince Mcintyre was worth watching.

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I'll hopefully give them a watch before watching a couple of films. How is Rollins in them? Saw a few matches last year when Seabs pimped them hard and he impressed me with his selling, but then I saw a couple of more recent matches and his offence resembled that of John Morrison and I had a hard time thinking more of him. If he sticks to selling and building his comeback I imagine I won't have a problem with him.
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Drew Mcintyre v Seth Rollins, WWE NXT 07/25/12

Nothing match really, just a Rollins showcase for the most part before Drew catches him and makes short work of him. Rollins had some ok offence, but I'll take this as basically a lead in to their second match where hopefully they get much more time and work off of the first bout. I did like Rollins' KO sell of a Mcintyre punch however.


Drew Mcintyre v Seth Rollins, WWE NXT, 08/01/12

Better match, Rollins' offence for the most part didn't wow me, whoever decided he should employ a kick based game in his matches needs to actually watch his kicks before suggesting that again. Mcintyre was his usual self, I dug the aggressive opening trying to ground Rollins and of course the hiding under the ring spot was your typical creativity on Mcintyre's part. Arm work was basic compared to some of Drew's past encounters but Rollins did fine selling it, a couple of really smart counters from both men with Rollins' DDT out of a mid air throw and Drew's AWESOME tilt-a-whirl backbreaker. Finish was innovative although a tad flat, felt more like a big nearfall rather than the actual finish. Perfectly acceptable match but I do hope Rollins alters his strike style before making the move up to Raw/SD because like Punk he doesn't really have the kicking ability to work this sort of gimmick, but Punk can more than make up for it due to his invaluable wrestling brain and ability to get the most out of very little.
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Anyways, onto a guy I actually think is worth a damn:

Drew Mcintyre v Sin Cara, WWE Superstars 07/26/12

Total Drew formula match here, and the best Cara match to date as a result. Cara is slowly becoming one of the most awful guys inside a WWE ring I can remember, he just looks so slow and clunky in every movement he makes and his bumping and theatrics just look terribly out of place, like what Rey Mysterio would be if he wasn't a very smart wrestler who knew how to make the most out of his offence and build a match around his comeback. Cara actually does a half decent job at selling the workover, even if it doesn't really play into any spots bar Drew's awesome powerbomb counter to a hurricanrana. Like nearly every Drew match he busts out some incredibly creative offence, especially the hammerlock back suplex which looked really awesome. His shoulderbreaker onto the ring apron spot was also a killer transition spot that you come to associate with Mcintyre matches, and he bumps and eats all of Cara's offence tremendously and manages to ensure there are no awkward looking sequences. Finish wasn't too brilliant, more the standard face catches heel off guard spot that when executed well is a terrific finish, but if executed all that smartly can leave you rather disappointed. Anyways its a fine match and definitely the sort of match you'd show to someone you were trying to convince Mcintyre was worth watching.
McIntyre Vs Sin Cara - 26/07/2012

Dammit WWE, McIntyre is awesome and yet you just do nothing with him. He seems to be a main stay on NXT right now. NX-fucking-T. The place for the FCW guys to go after FCW and before Raw/SD. Its like ECW, except not on TV in America so most people don't see it. Anyway, reason for that mini-rant is that McIntyre just looks awesome here. Give it up for Cara too, he bumps well from Drew's offence making it look even better. Him bouncing off McIntyre's knee and landing on the floor looked great. Loved Drew at the start of the match just picking up Cara and throwing him down to the mat rather than dropping down with him, then looking at what he did and smiling because he's an evil Scottish cunt. Love how Drew is able to wrestle a power game in his matches too, despite not really being "big" in the sense a guy like Sheamus is. Sure, he's tall, but he's also kinda lanky so it looks all the more impressive when he catches someone in mid-air and smashes them down with a shoulder breaker or a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker. Everything he does looks great, vicious, and has a purpose. Guy literally has it all when it comes to in ring technique and skill. He's tall and doesn't look like a generic big guy. He CAN talk too, just doesn't get a chance. Does plenty of those "little things" that can make a match/his character too. Guy pretty much has it all, yet isn't given a chance. Rumours of him not re-signing when his contract is up unless his standing with the company gets better saddens me, but you can hardly blame him. People like Del Rio and Santino are on the main shows pretty much every week, one has a title atm and the other keeps challenging for the World/WWE title, despite the fact Drew is far more talented than both of them. Fuck the WWE. Match is pretty good btw .
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I got the WrestleMania Anthology Box Set, and WrestleMania's 14 - 18 are ruined with the WWF blurs, apart from 15 and 17, which WrestleMania's are worth purchasing without the blurs? By the way, 15 and 17 I already purchased without the blurs.
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A fellow member mentioned a DVD 'bootleg' - Undertaker vs Kane fued (2 discs), does anyone have a copy at all, plz pm if can help.
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