[Yeah1993]

Originally Posted by jawbreaker

Why? I ask partly because I dig that match a lot (it'll probably be on my list) and partly because I don't see any way any match can be worse than the Jeff Hardy match.

Felt silly. Really silly. I get that Angle had wrestling two matches already, but they weren't exactly damaging (or good ), and yet Angle still sold for McMahon they way he did for Chris Benoit in their series. He just got through an intense Chris Benoit feud which had a ladder fall and 30 minute submission match and a cage match, and he goes ahead and makes Shane McMahon look like a bigger challenge than he's ever faced. This match was brought up on another board, and a guy made a great post about it, and mentioned that Angle should have sold for Shane the way the Road Warriors sold for JJ Dillon- shrugging off his blows, and laughing. This isn;t a commentary on Angle no-selling or anything like that. It felt, IDK, embarrassing to watch that Shane McMahon who's an untrained athlete was pretty much treated like Angle's equal. I remember Angle trying to actually do some competitive mat game at the beginning....why? And my least favourite part was Angle has no fucking clue how to brawl as a heel. No fucking clue. He didn't even seem to try to make it look like he was the guy the crowd should be booing, and when the crowd were chanting "one more time!" with the ridiculous glass suplexes...yuck. The ending angle slam off the table got a face pop as well. It comes off as a really bad stunt show instead of a wrestling match. Honestly this, to me, is exactly the kind of match people say ECW was notorious for. I have no idea how anybody can shit on ECW and call this a great match. And I'm no ECW apologist because in ECW there sure as shit were matches which looked like what people call "retards doing stuff."

Never saw Angle/Hardy. I don't think. It's on my watch list though. Been NEEDING to see it after Seabs wrote like my favourite review of any match ever on it back in 2010.

[Jack D. Ripper]

yeah 1993 was the 2/3 falls dog collar match like a 3 act play

[jawbreaker]

Originally Posted by Yeah1993

Felt silly. Really silly. I get that Angle had wrestling two matches already, but they weren't exactly damaging (or good ), and yet Angle still sold for McMahon they way he did for Chris Benoit in their series. He just got through an intense Chris Benoit feud which had a ladder fall and 30 minute submission match and a cage match, and he goes ahead and makes Shane McMahon look like a bigger challenge than he's ever faced. This match was brought up on another board, and a guy made a great post about it, and mentioned that Angle should have sold for Shane the way the Road Warriors sold for JJ Dillon- shrugging off his blows, and laughing. This isn;t a commentary on Angle no-selling or anything like that. It felt, IDK, embarrassing to watch that Shane McMahon who's an untrained athlete was pretty much treated like Angle's equal. I remember Angle trying to actually do some competitive mat game at the beginning....why? And my least favourite part was Angle has no fucking clue how to brawl as a heel. No fucking clue. He didn't even seem to try to make it look like he was the guy the crowd should be booing, and when the crowd were chanting "one more time!" with the ridiculous glass suplexes...yuck. The ending angle slam off the table got a face pop as well. It comes off as a really bad stunt show instead of a wrestling match. Honestly this, to me, is exactly the kind of match people say ECW was notorious for. I have no idea how anybody can shit on ECW and call this a great match. And I'm no ECW apologist because in ECW there sure as shit were matches which looked like what people call "retards doing stuff."

Never saw Angle/Hardy. I don't think. It's on my watch list though. Been NEEDING to see it after Seabs wrote like my favourite review of any match ever on it back in 2010.

I didn't think they made Shane look like Angle's equal at all. His offense basically consisted of hitting Angle with heavy things, which is pretty effective offense no matter who's using it, or who's on the other end. The mat wrestling portion served to illustrate how ridiculous a matchup it was, because Angle could basically just fuck Shane up if he tried to actually wrestle, which was why he went and got chairs and stuff.

Then Shane's offense basically stops halfway through and Angle wins because he's the better athlete with better conditioning, etc., but I thought they gave Shane enough offense to make you think he could possibly win without making Angle look weak. Like, I mean, there's plenty of stunts in it, and a lot of them are silly, but it's not like they pretended there was some other way for Shane to win.

The Angle/Hardy match is absolutely horrendous. It's sublimely terrible. One of the most hilariously bad matches I've ever seen.

[Yeah1993]

Originally Posted by WCW

yeah 1993 was the 2/3 falls dog collar match like a 3 act play

I've never really liked it that much.

Originally Posted by jawbreaker

I didn't think they made Shane look like Angle's equal at all. His offense basically consisted of hitting Angle with heavy things, which is pretty effective offense no matter who's using it, or who's on the other end. The mat wrestling portion served to illustrate how ridiculous a matchup it was, because Angle could basically just fuck Shane up if he tried to actually wrestle, which was why he went and got chairs and stuff.

before they even get the hardcore stuff Shane is arm-dragging Angle and actually winds up on top of him in a mat session. Hell, Angle is the one who has to resort to clubbing Shane in the back because he isn't doing to well. Shane got the hardcore stuff after he dove over the announce table, so he basically had control of the match already (which he should have b/c he isn't a wrestler).

Originally Posted by jawbreaker

Then Shane's offense basically stops halfway through and Angle wins because he's the better athlete with better conditioning, etc., but I thought they gave Shane enough offense to make you think he could possibly win without making Angle look weak. Like, I mean, there's plenty of stunts in it, and a lot of them are silly, but it's not like they pretended there was some other way for Shane to win..

It was a pretty bad stunt show by the end, even though they were legitimately fucking each other up. The glass suplexes were the stupidest thing in history and actually got more of a "holy shit/this is awesome" reaction than actual concern for Shane McMahon, the untrained, not-a-wrestler babyface. Angle's the heel, and a legit Gold medal winner who had victories over Chris Benoit, the Rock, the Undertaker and was someone who had held the WWF Chmapionhsip. Angle was the one doing all of this stupid shit and I just can't fathom why he'd need to do this in order to beat this silver spoon skinny rich kid. I just can't take any of it seriously.

[Saint Dick]

Heard they're thinking about making HHH and Brock dress like Batman and Bane for their Summerslam fight.

[Hohenheim of Light]

Oh fuck

Please let that happen.

[Coolquip]

Originally Posted by Yeah1993

Felt silly. Really silly. I get that Angle had wrestling two matches already, but they weren't exactly damaging (or good ), and yet Angle still sold for McMahon they way he did for Chris Benoit in their series. He just got through an intense Chris Benoit feud which had a ladder fall and 30 minute submission match and a cage match, and he goes ahead and makes Shane McMahon look like a bigger challenge than he's ever faced. This match was brought up on another board, and a guy made a great post about it, and mentioned that Angle should have sold for Shane the way the Road Warriors sold for JJ Dillon- shrugging off his blows, and laughing. This isn;t a commentary on Angle no-selling or anything like that. It felt, IDK, embarrassing to watch that Shane McMahon who's an untrained athlete was pretty much treated like Angle's equal. I remember Angle trying to actually do some competitive mat game at the beginning....why? And my least favourite part was Angle has no fucking clue how to brawl as a heel. No fucking clue. He didn't even seem to try to make it look like he was the guy the crowd should be booing, and when the crowd were chanting "one more time!" with the ridiculous glass suplexes...yuck. The ending angle slam off the table got a face pop as well. It comes off as a really bad stunt show instead of a wrestling match. Honestly this, to me, is exactly the kind of match people say ECW was notorious for. I have no idea how anybody can shit on ECW and call this a great match. And I'm no ECW apologist because in ECW there sure as shit were matches which looked like what people call "retards doing stuff."

Never saw Angle/Hardy. I don't think. It's on my watch list though. Been NEEDING to see it after Seabs wrote like my favourite review of any match ever on it back in 2010.

Fuckin hell! I must've watched a different Angle/Shane match! Only things I remember is Shane getting killed.

[PGSucks]

Originally Posted by Ownage™

Heard they're thinking about making HHH and Brock dress like Batman and Bane for their Summerslam fight.

If this is true, it's the best idea EVER.

[Cactus]

WWF Rebellion 2001

WWF Intercontinental Championship - Steel Cage Match
Edge vs Christian
***

Scotty 2 Hotty vs Hurricane Helms
**

Big Show vs DDP
*

WWF Tag Team Championship - Triangle Match
The Dudley Boys vs The APA vs The Hardy Boyz
*1/2

William Regal vs Taijiri
**3/4

WCW Championship
Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle
**3/4

Lita & Torrie Wilson vs Mighty Molly & Stacy Keibler
1/2*

WWF Championship
Steve Austin vs The Rock
***1/4


- Aside from the flawlessly setting up of the 3D, there's really nothing worth seeing in the Triangle match.

- Regal/Taijiri was a nicely structured match between two underrated talents. Best worked match on the card.

- Y2J/Angle was solid yet unspectacular. I was expecting much more out of 2001 Angle and Jericho.

- As long as you aren't going in expecting a match on the level of their other classic matches, Rock/Austin is an awesome little brawl with a fun overbooked ending that you have come to expect out of these Attitude Era main event matches, for better or for worst.

Overall: Best to avoid this one. Plenty of better PPVs from this time period out there.

[Big Z]

If Lesnar and HHH dress up and Bane and Batman, I hope Lesnar breaks HHH's back

Edit: And Stephanie should totally dress up as Catwomen.