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Old 08-01-2012, 09:45 AM   #4431 (permalink)
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Incorperation.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:47 AM   #4432 (permalink)
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I pretty much refuse to discuss my stance on Angle and his in ring shit any more . I'll make the odd comments here and there, but no way in HELL am I gonna say yet again why I think he sucks, since it just results in a bunch of morons screaming shit at me because I don't love Angle like they do and they refuse to accept that he's anything less than the GOAT .
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Incorperate what you're feeling, Cal. Incorperate your feelings so we can feel what you're feeling. You feel me?
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:57 AM   #4434 (permalink)
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In the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin... What?
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:17 AM   #4435 (permalink)
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I never really got why Angle is held in such high regard with the majority of the IWC. I think it has something to do with the idea that he has a very legit wrestling background and therefore he is instantly a great wrestler in their minds. (The same thing applies with Jack Swagger. I can't name one good redeeming quality about his ring-work, but he has always been considered a good worker because of his mat-wrestling background)

I've been tempted recently to open a topic asking Angle fans why they find him so great in the ring, but I think it won't end well just by judging how people react when the phrases 'Kurt Angle' and 'Spot Monkey' are in the same sentence.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:21 AM   #4436 (permalink)
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Wrestlemania 2000

E&C/Hardys/Dudleyz ****1/2
Benoit/Angle/Jericho ***1/4
F4W ****

Everything else was horrible, probably drove some of the ratings for the good matches up.

Backlash 2000

Road Dogg & X-Pacc/E&C **1/2
Scotty 2 Hotty / Malenko ***1/4
Big Boss Man&Buchanan / APA *1/4
Hardcore Title Match **3/4
Big Show / Angle *1/2
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Guerrero/Essa Rios **1/2
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:25 AM   #4437 (permalink)
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I never really got why Angle is held in such high regard with the majority of the IWC. I think it has something to do with the idea that he has a very legit wrestling background and therefore he is instantly a great wrestler in their minds. (The same thing applies with Jack Swagger. I can't name one good redeeming quality about his ring-work, but he has always been considered a good worker because of his mat-wrestling background)

I've been tempted recently to open a topic asking Angle fans why they find him so great in the ring, but I think it won't end well just by judging how people react when the phrases 'Kurt Angle' and 'Spot Monkey' are in the same sentence.
He's usually really fun to watch. Then again, I found Morrison quite fun to watch too and he was absolutely annihilated by the Z0MG SPOT MONKEE comments...
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:40 AM   #4438 (permalink)
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Morrison was fun to watch because he could take good bumps and sell acceptably, and didn't spam his big moves. I can't remember seeing a Morrison match where he hit six finishers and lost. Not a great wrestler, but not Kurt Angle bad either.

here's what I said about Charlie Haas one time, but it's equally applicable to Angle:


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and yet people still think he's good because of his amateur background of all things. amateur wrestling has nothing to do with pro wrestling except for the name. literally nothing. they are fundamentally different activities. amateur wrestling is about wrestling against another competitor who is also trying to beat you. pro wrestling is about working with another performer to create the illusion that you are trying to beat each other. they are not the same thing and have incredibly little to do with one another. but since Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar happened to understand how pro wrestling worked, and have the athleticism to excel at both, people think there's some kind of correlation between amateur and pro wrestling skill. there isn't, and the perpetuation of that myth shows an absurd level of misunderstanding of what wrestling is.
(I realize I included something positive about Angle in there, it's referring to his 2000-02 work, which was really good, not his 2009-2012 work, which is atrocious)
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I think that since around 07, Angle is at his best when he's limited, hence why I loved the Angle/Styles vs. Daniels/Kaz tag team match at Slammiversary (TNA I know, but still Angle.) I generally would have enjoyed those two teaming up for a while longer, with the majority of the matches remaining fairly similar in terms of structure. An early onslaught from Angle/Styles, followed by the other team singling out Styles and dominating, building up to the hot tag where Angle has four or five minutes just to kill everything in site.

It almost made his SPOTZ~! make sense, seeing as he's been on the apron for ten minutes, he's fully rested etc. and he needed to turn everything around, and it was just fun, and I wouldn't have minded him doing that for a few months. It also keeps him out of the World Title picture and it puts some star-studded quality in to the tag division.
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In the words of Stone Cold Steve Austin... What?


As for Angle, yeah, a lot of times he relies on spots but I'm not averse to spots. Really, so long as I'm entertained I really don't give a shit although I will deduct points for lack of storytelling. That's the most important thing for me. Storytelling + general entertainment.
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