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The Undertaker vs The Rock from King of the Ring 1999 blows. Don't like that match at all pardon Undertaker being at his all time greatest via Ministry. You won't find me putting over many matches in the Attitude Era unless they involved Owen Hart or X-Pac.

Dream match vs Taker at WrestleMania? Honestly, I don't care as long as Undertaker wins. Put him in there vs Cena. Cena doesn't have to be heel to make it huge. It's huge all on its own.
 
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I absolutely ADORE the idea that gets brought up of Cena making the heel turn against Taker whereby HHH comes out at the end and screws Taker over to give Cena the win thus cementing the 2 of them as a new corporation type of deal. I love that idea but it scares the complete shit out of me at the same time lol. I don't think I'd know how to deal with it if it happened, haha. I also don't think the streak should ever be broken but holy fuck what a way to break it lol.

@Choke - I'm fully on the Taker/Cena @30 match bandwagon lol. I'm not going to Mania 29 but I most certainly WILL be going to 30 and Taker/Cena is a MUST see match for me. I'll gladly pay my money for that. Gladly.
That should have happened against The Rock as was suggested by many. Would have been awesome, specially in Rock's hometown.

And WM29 has broken your WM streak now ever since you first went to WM24?
 
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^^^^ Yeah. 25, 26, 27, 28 but no 29 for me. I just can't afford it and things haven't worked out the way I had hoped. 30 is a lock though. I can't miss that lol. Yeah, I'm much more comfortable with a screwjob like that happening against Rock than Taker. The streak is just too sacred to be messed with like that, haha.

Dream match vs Taker at WrestleMania? Honestly, I don't care as long as Undertaker wins. Put him in there vs Cena. Cena doesn't have to be heel to make it huge. It's huge all on its own.
Very true. I just don't think face Cena will go to the lengths needed to win the match. It all stems from my belief that the past 4 streak matches have gradually got more intense/physical/hyped etc. We've seen Taker literally beaten until he can't stand with 30 something chair shots, sledgehammer shots, a bazillion SCM's and a bazillion Pedigree's not to mention his own Tombstone lol. The idea that the streak could end with anything less than that doesn't fly with me. That's why I don't want Rock/Taker or think it will work. The story of the streak has now become 'What do I have to do to beat this guy?' and a simple Rock Bottom or AA isn't going to cut it. Heel Cena however? Well, we're in unchartered waters here lol. I'd love to see the turn play out in the match itself where Cena gets unmercifully shat on, its clearly getting to him and he FINALLY embraces the hate, says fuck it, and starts beating the shit out of Taker like he should because he knows it's the only way he can win. Face Cena vs. Face Taker would be great. Heel Cena vs. Face Taker has the potential to be AMAZING.

All imo of course lol.
 
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Interestingly enough, if I'm not mistaken, Taker/HHH are among the only few matchup combinations to have matches featuring every face/heel dynamic.

Not sure what other combination of wrestlers can claim they've done that
Kane/Undertaker had all possible face/heel combinations.

Face Kane vs Face Taker on Smackdown in 08
Heel Kane vs Heel Taker at Judgment Day 98
Face Kane vs Heel Taker on Raw after Judgment Day 98
and Heel Kane vs Face Taker of course

I can't think of any other example. Like you said very interesting to think about.
 
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No doubt a heel Cena would certainly give the match more edge. But, looking back at the last 4 WrestleMania matches all of Undertaker's opponents (yeah, BOTH guys haha) were faces. No real heel elements there and they still tried everything they could to win the match. That's why I'm thinking a heel turn isn't essential to making it be the most unbelievable match. I really do feel John Cena vs The Undertaker, as they are, would be enough. Not to say I would refuse a heel turn. If, they would actually do it (even just for that one match) I'd be ALL for it. Flashbacks to 2003 running through my head.
 
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No doubt a heel Cena would certainly give the match more edge. But, looking back at the last 4 WrestleMania matches all of Undertaker's opponents (yeah, BOTH guys haha) were faces. No real heel elements there and they still tried everything they could to win the match. That's why I'm thinking a heel turn isn't essential to making it be the most unbelievable match. I really do feel John Cena vs The Undertaker, as they are, would be enough. Not to say I would refuse a heel turn. If, they would actually do it (even just for that one match) I'd be ALL for it. Flashbacks to 2003 running through my head.
They were faces but kinda sorta not really lol. Shawn has always had that edge to him and he taunted Taker with all the holy stuff etc. Trips has always been a bastard no matter if he's playing heel or face lol. Cena though, he would stand there and smile while Taker told him he wasn't in his league. Then he'd tell everybody he agreed, tuck his tail between his legs and go to the back to let Taker have his time. The heel turn isn't essential and Taker/Cena is a HUGE match on its own. Absolutely. But for the sake of the story I'd personally like to see, I think Cena descending into heeldom and finally embracing the hate against a true embodiment of the WWE for the past 20 years now would be something magical to see.
 
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It can all be determined on how John-boy decides to act while building up the match. If the booking said "John do your normal stuff and we'll sell tickets either way" then yeah, the smiling stuff is accurate. However, if they decided to let Cena show some edge, a la HBK & Game, then staying face is fine. He'll only go the route that say Batista did vs Undertaker. That's a good example I can use. He'll own Taker and try to get the upper hand w/o turning on the fans.

I think we all know that a heel Cena in this program would rock our socks off though. No question at all. OWNS.
 
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I was asking a serious question. What do you mean by "Cena owning the Undertaker?" Do you mean in the ring, during the match? On the mic leading up to the match? There are different ways of "owning someone."

By the way, not everyone is a Cena hater. There are people out there who actually enjoy wrestling for what it is. My lord, Cena marks sure are sensitive, aren't they? Someone who just said one wrestler is going to "own" another is telling someone else that wrestling is scripted. That's...cute.

Yup, I was a fan of HBK's in the 90s. You know, one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time. I should be humiliated? LOL, yeah...right. HBK on coke was still better than anything John Cena has ever done in wrestling..ever. Now, *that's* embarrassing.
 
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