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Old 07-23-2012, 10:32 PM   #4231 (permalink)
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I'm not a fan of doing the same Mania match two years in a row, so I hope Cena/Rock doesn't happen at WM29...

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Old 07-23-2012, 10:36 PM   #4232 (permalink)
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I'd like to see Rock/Brock as long as it ISN'T for the WWE Championship. Nothing personal against either men, I just want a champion who is on Raw every week and is working House Shows, etc. I don't think Rock takes the title at RR because it means he has to work EC 2013 as well.

Actually.. If Cena went over I wouldn't mind seeing Rock/Cena II.... I mean, it looks like they're going that route.

Here's what I'm holding out for in regards to realistic match possibilities :

Cena/Rock II
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This has got me thinking, i cant see Punk holding the title for another six months, but i also cant see Cena winning at summerslam only for Punk to win it back later, should be good tv for the next few months
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:31 AM   #4234 (permalink)
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London and Kendrick are OK FIPs, but God, I just hate the kind of US Indy Wrestling Offense they have. Hate it. Every fucking move is some jumping stomp or some dumbass Marufuji kick. Wrestlers like Bryan Danielson use forearms because it's effective to smash a guy in the face, wrestlers like London use forearms to set up some shitty irish-whip-into-something-asinine move. I was liking 2002 London as well in the recent months I was watching ROH too so it's kind of a let down. I saw one of thei matches with MNM, but MNM were pretty much the best tag team of the past 15 years; they're always good. Maybe Paul and Brian get better in mid-later 2006, IDK.

Yeah, I've gone pretty high on Booker in 2012, but I'm not looking forward to the Batista matches at all. Ditto v Lashley.
Yeah the more I think about it the more I'm inclined to believe I won't be as big a fan of their work as I was back in 06 where for the most part I was still largely a casual viewer. I think bar 2002/2003 and a couple of matches here and there London hasn't been all that much in his career, no idea whether its drug related, or whether WWE just killed his enthusiasm but something drastic happened. Agreed on MNM being one of the best teams in quite some years, really worked the STF to perfection and had some great double team spots as well as Melina being really good as the interfering manager.

Yeah Booker/Batista was dull as dishwater, Batista is pretty much a guy who can work in the right sort of environment (heavyweight sprints), but he's just devoid of anything that appeals to me in a worker. He's got some impressive looking signature moves and bursts of offence, but just like HHH, Edge and Jericho there's just nothing unique/emotive about them, its all formulaic WWE main event style wrestling with restholds, elaborate finishing stretches etc. But there's no heart and soul, no little touches in matches/holds, very little work to envoke a character into the match and the sequences. Its almost like spotfests only without the memorable spots, its just a collection of moves in a match.

Also that Lesnar/HHH brawl tonight really doesn't make me want to watch them go long at Summerslam. Cena works well with Lesnar because he let him beat the crap out of him, and he knows how to play to a crowd and time his comeback impeccably whilst also being able to brawl reasonably well, HHH is just so incredibly stale to me and is just nothing at this point beyond moves inside a ring that I know the match is going to suck. There's not a chance in hell Lesnar will be allowed to look as monstrous as Cena let him look, and no doubt HHH will insist on working a drawn out WWE epic or some choregraphed NO DQ brawl and it'll have nothing on Lesnar/Cena.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:35 AM   #4235 (permalink)
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Yeah HHH never seems to do regular matches these days , definately going to see it be a NO DQ match or whatever gimmick they decide , could even go HIAC.
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This has got me thinking, i cant see Punk holding the title for another six months, but i also cant see Cena winning at summerslam only for Punk to win it back later, should be good tv for the next few months
I can actually see him holding it a bit longer because it's now a completely new direction for Punk, so it's like starting fresh. Only problem is, Cena is the only face to challenge him, unless they plan to keep Orton face and bring back that feud? Cena can go handle Big Show once and for all.

Maybe Cena wins it at NOC, and then loses it to Rock at the rumble and then Punk wins the Rumble to face Rock at the ME of MANIA, and goes over. Would be a nice gesture by Rock.
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Trips/Lesnar has to be a gimmick match though. They need to FIGHT not wrestle lol.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:01 AM   #4238 (permalink)
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Yeah Booker/Batista was dull as dishwater, Batista is pretty much a guy who can work in the right sort of environment (heavyweight sprints), but he's just devoid of anything that appeals to me in a worker. He's got some impressive looking signature moves and bursts of offence, but just like HHH, Edge and Jericho there's just nothing unique/emotive about them, its all formulaic WWE main event style wrestling with restholds, elaborate finishing stretches etc. But there's no heart and soul, no little touches in matches/holds, very little work to envoke a character into the match and the sequences. Its almost like spotfests only without the memorable spots, its just a collection of moves in a match.
IDK if I'd put Batista in the same sentence as Trip, Edge or Jericho; I'd say their pretty emotive even if this emotion can look forced or stupid. Definitely wouldn't say Batista's in the same emotive bracket as Jericho. Maybe 2012 Jericho. The "collection of moves in a match" thing applies to Trip a lot; at least during his I Am That Damn Good period of 02-03, and I think I said something like that in one of the 03 matches I talked about.

I have too much wrestling to keep track of, so I literally pull DVD names out of a hat (or Christmas box, w/e) sometimes to choose what to watch. Today I pulled out the WWE Kane set which I figured I'd never watch, but I actually got through everything I'd never watched before.

HHH v Kane from No Mercy 02 was a match where HHH was definitely emoting, but that doesn't stop the match from being mediocre. Really the guy's selling was pretty bad and he really had no idea how to fill time. On the other side I watched HHH v Kane from Judgment Day 01 and that was a really fun, solid match and Trip looked good. I'd watch that one again.

Two matches with Edge, who was emotive in the Oh Crap I'm The Heel Getting My Arse Kicked way, but I really don't buy him that much. This was 2005 so it wasn't his fake psycho bullshit phase of 07-08, but he isn't the best actor at all. I hate his sort of big spot selling too. Kane chokeslams him on the stretcher and he just stops dead. Maybe I'm being stupid, but I'd like to think you'd hold your back and yell and stuff. Maybe the stopping dead just bothers me because it reminds me of the propfest stunt show matches I don't like. All right matches, but Edge looks like your average wrestler.

LMS v Jericho was really fun but went too long; but Jericho was looking really good running at the beginning and acting tired while getting hope spots in. Kind of like a face in peril in a singles match; exhausted and needing a break before being able to string anything together, and I bought him in that role. So yeah, I think not emoting is a 2012 Jericho thing. I think Chris has looked only looked good three times this year: Rumble, Mania, Raw v Cena.

IDK what my point is, I guess it's that I like all these guys more than Batista.
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Oh I'll definitely take a brawl over a wrestling match, since the type of match HHH would work if they just wrestled would absolutely not mesh at all with Lesnar. But HHH isn't a top class brawler either IMO, I just don't like his general offence in those sorts of matches especially as a face (LMS with Orton at No Mercy would be the exception) and think there are plenty of other guys Lesnar could work much better with. HHH as a whole is just so stale to me, I just don't enjoy watching him for whatever reason, there's just very little drama or emotion in between the moves he executes and its the same problem with someone like Orton. There's not a lot factually wrong with what either man does in their average match, but for whatever reason they just cannot escape this overly formulaic style and it always makes it incredibly hard for me to find something in that match besides the moves that are executed if that makes sense.

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IDK if I'd put Batista in the same sentence as Trip, Edge or Jericho; I'd say their pretty emotive even if this emotion can look forced or stupid. Definitely wouldn't say Batista's in the same emotive bracket as Jericho. Maybe 2012 Jericho. The "collection of moves in a match" thing applies to Trip a lot; at least during his I Am That Damn Good period of 02-03, and I think I said something like that in one of the 03 matches I talked about.

I have too much wrestling to keep track of, so I literally pull DVD names out of a hat (or Christmas box, w/e) sometimes to choose what to watch. Today I pulled out the WWE Kane set which I figured I'd never watch, but I actually got through everything I'd never watched before.

HHH v Kane from No Mercy 02 was a match where HHH was definitely emoting, but that doesn't stop the match from being mediocre. Really the guy's selling was pretty bad and he really had no idea how to fill time. On the other side I watched HHH v Kane from Judgment Day 01 and that was a really fun, solid match and Trip looked good. I'd watch that one again.

Two matches with Edge, who was emotive in the Oh Crap I'm The Heel Getting My Arse Kicked way, but I really don't buy him that much. This was 2005 so it wasn't his fake psycho bullshit phase of 07-08, but he isn't the best actor at all. I hate his sort of big spot selling too. Kane chokeslams him on the stretcher and he just stops dead. Maybe I'm being stupid, but I'd like to think you'd hold your back and yell and stuff. Maybe the stopping dead just bothers me because it reminds me of the propfest stunt show matches I don't like. All right matches, but Edge looks like your average wrestler.

LMS v Jericho was really fun but went too long; but Jericho was looking really good running at the beginning and acting tired while getting hope spots in. Kind of like a face in peril in a singles match; exhausted and needing a break before being able to string anything together, and I bought him in that role. So yeah, I think not emoting is a 2012 Jericho thing. I think Chris has looked only looked good three times this year: Rumble, Mania, Raw v Cena.

IDK what my point is, I guess it's that I like all these guys more than Batista.
Yeah I'd definitely say the Jericho thing became more noticebale around 2005 when he started to get really stale as a character, and then from 2008 onwards. I dunno how to really explain it but aside from the Mysterio series when I watch a Jericho match it just feels, 'dull' to me now. Like he'll lay out a decent structure of babyface shine period, then his control segment and then the finishing stretch, but his offence is usually passable at best and things like the restholds and wear down submissions just don't grab me. Its not like when Punk works a match as a heel etc. Its like he's got offence you'd give to a CAW but he just can't string it together now in a meaningful way that I enjoy, he's very good in 2000 as more of a high flyer, but these days I just watch Jericho and there's very little in the way of character work and little touches when he wrestles that I enjoy. Again its really hard to try and explain how I feel but it does just come across to me as a lot of moves which are well executed but just can't grab me in any meaningful way, and its the same with the likes of HHH and Edge. Its like they've perfected this larger than life WWE style of main event wrestling, but when these guys bump and sell and work from the bottom I just don't really connect with them, and its not like they're doing much noticeably wrong, but for whatever reason I'd sooner watch guys like Masters and Mcintyre work respective face/heel roles in a match, since they manage to work enough smart and subtle stuff into their matches that I feel like there's more beyond the moves being executed, and even the moves themselves resonate better with me.

Edge is better 2005-2006, and HHH would probably be my 'favourite' of the 3 just for his 2000 and 2005 years where he proved how good he can be in the heel role, whether its a methodical heel or a more overt douche like he was in 05. I find his 2008 probably his best year since 05, and thought he worked well agaisnt Hardy as the ace veteran champion for whatever reason, but those 3 in particular just seemed to have hit a stretch where any match of theirs I watch from like 07 onwards just doesn't strike me as the sort of wrestling I enjoy these days. And I'm a pretty big fan of the WWE style and how a number of wrestlers on the roster utilise it, so again its hard for me to accurately explain what HHH, Edge and Jericho have done to reach this void of drama and emotion I feel when watching their matches. And Orton is well on the way to joining them, he had a number of good matches in 2011 but for whatever reason I just do not look forward to watching him and his monotone style, the Kane matches for example just did not grab me in any way and were just hard for me sit through: whether its his offence, the mannerisms he employs as the 'Viper' or his movements but I just sigh whenever I see Orton wrestle and honestly wouldn't miss him, which is a shame since I find him so much greater and akin to my taste in his 04-06 heel run.

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I just want them to go out there and beat the tar out of each other. If they can capture even a bit of the magic of Cena/Lesnar then I'll be happy. I've loved both their brawls so far and I really enjoy watching Brock fuck people up lol. He's just so different from what we're used to seeing in WWE these days and I'm really looking forward to the match.
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