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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Golfing with Stephen Hawking, he lied about his handicap. Didn't need a golf cart though, I just sat in his lap.
Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread
Rock/Cena was painfully average, Cena could have been so much better character wise and performance wise given some of his best work comes when playing the default heel against his opponent's hometown crowd. A lot of it was just standard WWE main event style wrestling, they seemed to just hope for an epic finish and a lot of the middle was just weird: one moment they're brawling on the floor, the next minute they're working body scissors and headlock spots. To me I think they just aimed to work a match entirely around the characters of both men, which is weird because both men have certainly delivered much better against a variety of different opponents where they can work a very structured and detailed match. I'll admit to frankly preferring Cena in ring than Rock, and figured with Rock's ability to always get a crowd involvd in a match, as well as Cena's polarising charisma and sublime facial expressions to sell a match we'd be in for a match that would surprise a lot of people. Instead I was painfully disappointed. Think the only things I really dug where the opening with Rock reeling off a string of moves and Cena retreating to the corner in complete shock, and the Crossbody > AA counter which I legit thought was the match ender given there was like 6 minutes left before it was 4am and the end of the PPV. Also, both men should never ever work a match based around holds, jesus some of the it was hard to watch, namely the STF and Sharpshooters.
I have no complaints if people focus on the atmosphere and icon/icon nature of the match, but to try and sell the in ring action as enthralling or superb is really stretching it IMO. Like I said if you just love the characters of both men and just concentrate on the aura rather than the actual content...then I could appreciate the argument even if I don't agree with it. But saying it had memorable spots and making out it was a storytelling and ring clinic seems incredibly absurd to me.
Controversial statement of the evening: Cena/Khali Judgement Day is a better match than Rock/Cena. Khali is terrible but manages to find a role that works fine for him: big monster who looks unstoppable, and luckily has Cena in the middle of his career year bumping big for all Khali's offence and just selling the ranging emotions superbly through his facial expressions. Once again evidence that Cena is at his best against a hopelessly bigger opponent (Umaga, Khali, Big Show, Lesnar).
Hogan is a sterling FIP, just simply for his overness alone. But Mysterio, Steamboat, Morton, Terry Funk and Lawler would all rank ahead of him IMO if we're talking babyface performers, hell given the right environment I'd struggle to say Cena isn't better than him in that role, but with Cena it does depend largely on the opponent and booking within the match, e.g the Miz matches are awful and hardly a good case for his talent. I'd also probably pump for Windham at his peak as well as Sting if we're going for pure babyfaces, not only where both of these men insanely over and beloved, they also actually worked the face in peril role better in terms of selling and adding little touches that Hogan didn't. And this is coming from someone who's slowly believing Hogan isn't terrible in the ring, clearly limited but who knew his role and perfected a formula that allowed his charisma and character to shine at the expense of his physical limitations.
Last edited by WOOLCOCK; 07-19-2012 at 06:46 PM.