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2009 has Smackdown being great for a good 3-4 months, but its really ECW and Superstars where the real quality shines. Raw pretty much sucked story wise and match quality wise, but ECW had Christian working his arse off against anyone and everyone, with the 2/24 Swagger title match being one of the best matches of the year (and better than HBK/Taker imo). Superstars had some really great matches from the likes of Goldust, Regal and Christian and even Smackdown came into its own with the Punk/Hardy feud and the eventual Loser Leaves Town Cage Match. The Mysterio/Jericho series was also pretty good, but I don't care for it as much as others and vastly prefer the Punk/Mysterio feud in terms of match output.
Smackdown from the draft - the rest of the year was pretty darn good. More so in the Spring-Summer than Fall-Winter, but I was a fan of it all.

ECW & Superstars, aka the shows that everyone wants to see to forget about, were apart of the year too. RAW might have been crap for the majority, but dammit you can't say that entire year was a bust with the quality of matches that those shows were pumping out. ECW in 2009 has prompted me to eventually start a project where I go over and watch all the awesome stuff that came out of it. And subsequently the rest of 2010 too since it ended early.

Flair vs Angle from RAW in 2005 rings as ":mark:" in my mind. I have to find that one too.
 
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It is possible to pinpoint the exact moment of the decline of the blue brand and for me it was Takers return in 09.

Others may disagree but for me the show never recovered from that. I was legit pissed with what they did to punk.
 
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When was the last time Raw was actually good from a consistent match or story standpoint? 2004? Even that had the Kane/Lita shit and Eugene stuff too. 07 was pretty good for sometime, I guess. But you have the Illegitimate Son angle and not many memorable matches. I'll plead ignorance on 2005, but Raw has really kinda sucked for years. 02-03 Raw is possibly my least favourite period of mainstream wrestling TV ever (well, probably not compared to 2000 WCW). And Brian Gewirtz was the head of writing in all this shit? I'm sorry but thank fuck he's no longer in that position.

worthless side-note: I always thought it was Brian "Gerwitz" up until now. I've read it wrong every single time for years.
 
#8,185 ·
Thanks for bringing up the Punk/Taker feud. Gives me a great reason to watch 09 and SD in 2010 as well. Seeing Punk get buried... :mark:

And I'm now at the end of Jan 05 and every Raw has been great. Helps that Eugene's injury rids us of his stupid ass gimmick for a while at least. Hope the rest of the year is as great and I expect that with a fresh Cena, Kurt Angle being drafted and HHH/Flair feuding. Not to mention Edge's rise towards the main event. I think 2005 and 2006 might be the nominations for the "last great Raw" years. Maybe 2008 too but I'm a long way from getting there now.
 
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RAW 2007 was garbage pardon the first few months having a match or two worth checking out. Cena, Michaels, Edge, & Orton. Not a surprise they were the focus of the show.

Jeff Hardy vs Shelton Benjamin had a solid TV match in September. There's a late part of the year highlight.

Ken Kennedy vs Carlito went 10 or 15 minutes on a show that year. No thanks.

:confused: what's w/the Punk hate, C2D?
 
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And I'm now at the end of Jan 05 and every Raw has been great. Helps that Eugene's injury rids us of his stupid ass gimmick for a while at least. Hope the rest of the year is as great and I expect that with a fresh Cena, Kurt Angle being drafted and HHH/Flair feuding. Not to mention Edge's rise towards the main event. I think 2005 and 2006 might be the nominations for the "last great Raw" years. Maybe 2008 too but I'm a long way from getting there now.
2005 Raw is such a blindspot for me that I'm considering tacking down full episodes. I've seen a lot of the best stuff (and supposed 'Best' stuff), but there's a lot of stuff with guys like Christian that I haven't seen.

Ken Kennedy vs Carlito went 10 or 15 minutes on a show that year. No thanks.
:lmao oh shit.
 
#8,190 ·
:confused: what's w/the Punk hate, C2D?
lol, I just never liked him (save for 2011's summer but anyone would have gotten my support in his position). He's absolutely unlikable. Even more so since his hair has became short and his entire torso became tattooed up. I always base my judgment on somebody's performance when they are at their job but Punk has just been hard for me to like. That aside, I find him overrated as a wrestler. He is undoubtedly capable of putting on great matches (although he needs a quality opponent) and I give credit where it's due when it comes to that part. Then on the mic, I think he's a good talker but annoying to listen to. And his time at the top in this year has been unbearable which has in turn made it impossible for me to like him. I enjoyed him to an extent in small doses and when he was speaking the truth last summer about the company but otherwise, just not for me...

Still, where it matters the most is in the ring and when he puts on a good match, I can easily give credit. (vs Cena at MITB for example or vs Bryan at OTL for something more recent)

2005 Raw is such a blindspot for me that I'm considering tacking down full episodes. I've seen a lot of the best stuff (and supposed 'Best' stuff), but there's a lot of stuff with guys like Christian that I haven't seen.
You should go for it. Looking at things from a short view, the whole year seems awesome and I've enjoyed the first month. Are you equally ignorant about Smackdown that year? I've also enjoyed it more than 2004 in the first month with the weird Angle/JBL/Big Show triple threat feud. Lots of unexpected swerves with the heels being top level trolls.
 
#8,191 ·
Yep. Kennedy drew Carlito in 16:00 w/commercial on the 8/20/07 RAW. I remember it so well. Simply because I couldn't believe it was getting so much time.

EDIT ~ Then consider me the exact opposite on the opinion of Punk. The moment I caught a glimpse of him, I was hooked. He's the guy who drew me into Independent wrestling. Overrated? Not at all.
 
#8,194 ·
If I put to rank the post AE RAW and SD! years then this would be it:

1. RAW 2004
2. RAW 2005
3. RAW 2002
4. RAW 2008
5. RAW 2011/2003 (joint fifth)
6. RAW 2010
7. RAW 2012
8. RAW 2009

1. SD 2003
2. SD 2005
3. SD 2009
4. SD 2008
5. SD 2004
6. SD 2006
7. SD 2011
8. SD 2007
9. SD 2012
 
#8,196 ·
Kennedy vs Carlito sounds like something I'd put on after I'd committed a despicable act and felt like I deserved some seemingly never ending form of torture.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

EDIT ~ Then consider me the exact opposite on the opinion of Punk. The moment I caught a glimpse of him, I was hooked. He's the guy who drew me into Independent wrestling. Overrated? Not at all.
Hey, it's all cool. Everybody has their opinions and if you like Punk, that's no problem for me! :)

Also on the topic of Flair's 2004-2006 matches. I just finished watching a Raw match between him and Randy Orton on the go home show for Royal Rumble 05. (24/01/05) Another good match between the two. It seems like Orton was on fire that month. He had a great TV match with HHH 03/01/05 where he won, another decent match with Batista at 17/01/05 and lastly one of the better HHH/Orton matches at the Rumble itself.

And while we're there, I think I've discovered the real reason why Orton's face run flopped. HHH BURYING HIM! :hhh The kid was as over as it gets after his face turn post-SummerSlam, then he lost the title and still managed to remain over with the crowd. Then for the Rumble match, it was his last chance at getting anywhere but per usual, HHH beat him again and he was stuck with Stacy Keibler afterwards until the heel turn brought him back up the ladder. Unlike what the stupid ass Orton haters say, it's not because he was "forced" and crowd didn't care. It might just be backstage problems he had but damn sure nothing to do with his on-screen performance.
 
#8,197 ·
Indeed.

Yeah, idk what the point of having Orton owned by H at every turn was. This isn't a knock on H or anything, but it didn't do Orton any favors when he lost the World Championship only 28 days later after winning. Suppose it doesn't matter as Orton would go on to feud with the Undertaker and end 2005 on a very high note. Plus, he is better as a heel.

I remember my fury when HHH beat Orton at Unforgiven though. Oh man, good thing I wasn't on a place like this. I would have embarrassed myself being a 14 year old mark, haha.
 
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Indeed.

Yeah, idk what the point of having Orton owned by H at every turn was. This isn't a knock on H or anything, but it didn't do Orton any favors when he lost the World Championship only 28 days later after winning. Suppose it doesn't matter as Orton would go on to feud with the Undertaker and end 2005 on a very high note. Plus, he is better as a heel.

I remember my fury when HHH beat Orton at Unforgiven though. Oh man, good thing I wasn't on a place like this. I would have embarrassed myself being a 14 year old mark, haha.
lmao, I feel that. I'm way beyond a "mark" at this point, know most of the results beforehand and I still get into the shows to an extent when watching. For instance, in numerous Evolution/Orton segments, I've actually gotten into it to the point of rooting for Orton.

EDIT: Flair can't take a RKO worth a damn! It looks like he's taking a suplex rather than a face bump. And there's HHH going to the top rope and getting countered even when it's not a match! And Orton gets the upper-hand in a segment with Evolution as usual only to lose where it matters the most. (24/1/05)
 
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Well that's what they wanted to accomplish, so I'd say that's a positive. Plus, you love this stuff. Only nature to mark out for things. I still get into plenty of moments/matches that I've seen a ton of times. Goosebumps everytime I see Undertaker win at WrestleMania 23. That will never go away. Nor would I want it to.

Shawn Michaels win at Survivor Series 2002 is another one. OH MY GOD I love that reaction.
 
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