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Old 07-19-2012, 04:30 PM   #4091 (permalink)
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Rock/Cena was easily ****1/4 at least to me. Big time feel, good enough performance for two who are not exactly praised as the greatest in-ring wrestlers (but decent at least) and I absolutely loved the atmosphere. That Miami crowd for the two nights is the best since Survivor Series 2011 in recent memory.

Also Starbuck, did you have any reactions towards the wrestlers? Specially Rock/Cena. Did you cheer/boo anyone?
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:31 PM   #4092 (permalink)
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^^^^^ I cheered them both because I'm a mark for both.

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Hey, as long as I got to see Taker/Shawn I would deal with it like I did from the riser section.
I could actually hear Vince screaming in pain at all those chair shots. It was horrible. Poor guy's back must have been on fucking fire after that. Then I stupidly decide to go to the bathroom during Punk/Rey and by the time I get back it's fucking over lol.

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Fuck all of you until I go next year.

Oh, and my Taker reviews...

Undertaker 2000 PPV Matches:

w/ Rock/Kane vs. HHH/Vince/Shane King of the Ring (WWE Championship)
This match is crazy. It's a little bit of fun, though boring for the most part. It was just the three faces taking turns for the most part whipping the McMahons... for the first half of the match. They control Rock a bit, and then it gets crazy. Kane attacks Taker... attacks Rock, tombstones HHH, covers and even though no tag was made from what I saw the ref counts... Taker attacks Kane. Of course it makes sense why since only the one who scores the pinfall would be champion, but it's just a giant clusterfuck to me. Taker's chokeslam to Shane off the turnbuckle was an awesome spot. But overall, while a slightly fun match, just isn't a good one.

**

vs. Angle Fully Loaded
Overall probably the worst Taker/Angle match. The first half was Taker squashing Angle, even having him apparently beat a couple of times in the first few minutes but raising Kurt off the matt. Didn't really like that tbh, not this early in the match anyway, but I guess they wanted to get through just how much Taker hated Kurt for what he'd done to his motorcycle (I believe, need to freshen up on the full story behind their match. All I remember is Angle was afraid to face Taker up until a certain week and then poured something on Taker's bike... that's what I'm going off of ). But yeah, Angle has some nice leg work, though I'm not 100% impressed by Taker's selling. The ending was pretty basic as well. Chokeslam into last ride. It's not a bad match, but it feels bad for a Taker/Kurt match when they have several ****+ matches. Also was too short for my liking.

**1/2

vs. Kane Summerslam

This match was only like 6 minutes, but in that time these two had a pretty good brawl. I actually thought this match was a lot worse but it was actually a good brawl between the two. Taker trying to rip Kane's mask off is an interesting strategy. The pace was great and Taker throwing the steps right into Kane was sick. Good match.

***

vs. Rock vs. Kane vs. Benoit Unforgiven (WWE Championship)
Nice little four-way match here. Per standard fatal four way formula, heels battle faces, swap off a bit, until the faces finally collide (Taker and Rock). I personally wasn't that into the match and i kinda dragged on a bit for me. Benoit pinning Taker 1-2-3 only for it to be reversed because Taker had the foot on the rope was some good story development as if I remember The Rock/Benoit FL match correctly, something similar happened where Benoit won the match or something but then ended up having it reversed and lost. I'm not 100% sure though, but either way it was a good way to break up the action and let the other three competitors give Benoit a beating. Rock pins Benoit with Taker trying to break up the cover, and Kane pulling Taker back, which still makes no sense to me, but meh. Overall good fatal four way, but nothing we couldn't have seen on the ME of Raw.

***1/4

vs. Angle Survivor Series (WWE Championship)
Better than their match at FL, but still not quite up to par with what we've come to know from Taker/Angle matches. First off, much like in the Taker/Angle match at FL they have Taker lift up Angle's shoulder when he had him beat (presumably). I normally hate when wrestlers do that since they should always be trying to win unless they really really really want to hurt the other guy, which I didn't sense as much in this match as I did their FL match. Then when it's done early on it makes it worse as the guy getting pinned looks weak as fuck (even for Angle, it's ridiculous). But this match goes a step furhter as it's a fucking WWE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH! God damn, this isn't what has deteriorated the championship credibility but it's little things like this that make up those things that do so. But that's my little mini-rant on that. Once again Taker dominates Angle for most of the match, though Angle gets more offense this time around. Edge/Christian coming out and screwing Taker not once but twice works somewhat, though I would've rather not seen Angle tap and instead Taker just get up and try to handle them instantly. Taker having Angle beat with the chokeslam though is fine. The ending is great and works for Angle's character. All in all a good match, but I still feel like I wanted more from these two.

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vs. Austin vs. Rock vs. Angle vs. HHH vs. Rikishi Hell in a Cell Armageddon (WWE Championship)
This match is just pure fun. 6 guys in a Cell match? How could it not be?! As far as Taker goes in this match, his role wasn't extremely significant, though being the most experienced in Cell matches did play into the build a bit, putting him as a kayfabe favorite. Of course chokeslamming Rikishi onto the hay truck was a good spot, though Taker's role in the cell ends there. McMahon trying to rip the cell apart was awesome, and then Foley kicking him out was hilarious. Of course the Austin/Rock confrontation was epic, and the ending was just another way for Angle to weasel out of losing his title. Overall awesome fun match. Taker's best match of the year considerably.
****

All in all not the best year for Taker. Started off bad and got better throughout. His best match by far was the Armageddon Cell, which as I explained he wasn't very significant in. After that it was the Fatal Four Way, which he did play a bigger role in, but there's a big gap between that and the cell. And his best singles matches were against Kane at Summerslam and against Angle at Survivor Series. Overall probably Taker's worst year since 2000 in PPV matches, or one of his worst. 2003 might be worse in PPV matches.

Maybe 2001 as well... though in from what I know I don't think so. He has two ****+ singles matches against Austin and HHH, as well as maybe a **** hardcore match with RVD (don't know if I really have it that high but it was always a great match to me). Actually I think that's all his singles matches from 2001. All his tag matches are forgotten memories besides the SVS elimination match and the invasion match.
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The Rock/Cena match was incredible. It was exactly how you need to book this match with plenty of believable nearfalls, big time boxing fight feel with the fans popping for the bell. Full of drama, memorable spots and a perfect finish. I always said that matches like that are above the * rating, but if I need to give it something, I will give **** for the actual match and 1/2 more for the finish, atmosphere, star power, characters and the huge promotion around it. ****1/2.

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I honestly don't remember hearing anything about Hogan/Cena. Ever tbh.

And I have to disagree. Hogan can fuck off. As an attraction, sure, but as an actual match hell no. It wouldn't be like Rock/Cena where Rock can still go. It would have been absolutely horrible.
I can't find you the reports now but it was strong at that time. Hogan wanted to wrestle at the 25s WM and it was Cena or the big payoff for Jericho's legends angle. Just when he was going to start the program, he did another back surgery and it wasn't possible. It's not going to be Rock/Cena in Hogan's shape, and Cena is not the guy who can bump for him for the match but it's Hogan, and nobody knows how to maximize his worth more than Hogan. Like so many people said over the years, "Hulk Hogan can perform like the greatest Hulk Hogan of all time". He can put on a fun match on a big stage with every opponent. Even his last match was Sting was awesome for his performance. And at that time he was much more mobile, had some good matches Flair on his tour in Australia, I'm sure he would have been fine. It's Hogan in front of 70k at WM, nothing can go wrong, not with Cena(Big dream match for a LOT of people)or Khali.

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I hate that 6 man HIAC match at Armageddon so much.

Action going all over the place that it's hard to keep up with at times, has one of the most stupid looking spots of all time to me in Rikishi falling into that hay truck (but it might of killed him!!~) and the match makes Angle look like a complete bitch. The worse he has ever looked during his title run back then. To hell with that match.

Might check out that Taker/Angle Survivor Series match though as I've never seen it before.
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I don't even term it as a match. I can't lol. It was an experience. All Mania week people were just hyped. On the bus on the way to the stadium there were Rock/Cena wars going on lol. Standing in line waiting to get my fucking drinks and pizza before taking my seat there was a Rock/Cena war going on right behind me. It was just nuts and the actual atmosphere was just incredible and something I'll never forget. Same goes for the HIAC. I literally collapsed into my seat after that and just sat there almost in awe. For all those reasons both matches will always be special for me, especially the HIAC because as an actual match, the meaning behind it and seeing the 3 of them on the ramp like that at the end, I don't even have the words lol.
Were they better or worse than the wars in the Rock/Cena thread?
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Hogan was also scheduled to wrestle The Great Khali at WM23, which thankfully never happened. Didn't know anything about Hogan/Cena, though. They should have wrestled in 2005 or 2006 when Hogan still had a little bit left in him as a wrestler. Wasn't Batista/Cena planned for WM24 originally? Then something happened and they changed plans by throwing Cena into the WWE Championship match and pairing Batista in a throwaway interpromotional match with Umaga, saving their awaited face off for SummerSlam that year. And the feud finally started over Cena accidentally punching Batista while they were double-teaming on someone else.
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Hogan was also scheduled to wrestle The Great Khali at WM23, which thankfully never happened. Didn't know anything about Hogan/Cena, though. They should have wrestled in 2005 or 2006 when Hogan still had a little bit left in him as a wrestler. Wasn't Batista/Cena planned for WM24 originally? Then something happened and they changed plans by throwing Cena into the WWE Championship match and pairing Batista in a throwaway interpromotional match with Umaga, saving their awaited face off for SummerSlam that year. And the feud finally started over Cena accidentally punching Batista while they were double-teaming on someone else.
Holy shit thank god that didn't happen.
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What are you guys talking about? That match would still be more entertaining than the Kane/Khali match at WM 23 that we got instead.
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What are you guys talking about? That match would still be more entertaining than the Kane/Khali match at WM 23 that we got instead.
Yeah but if Hogan was in it they would've given it an extra 10 minutes and like a co-main event status.
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