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I had some Rock mark telling me in the other thread that Rock was always a better technical wrestler than Austin, what a joke
 
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I loved the pace and the back and fourth action. Just an awesome fun 3 minute match I could literally sit back and watch anytime. Barrett's backbreaker and that clothesline at the end on Ryder were both sick. Ryder sold The Souvenir like death, and I loved it. :D

I don't really have anything bad to say about the match, besides the fact... well... it only goes on 3 minutes. :(
Yeah, it's good stuff for what was given. Shows me that a match of decent length between the two would be worth a watch. Both are underrated workers, imo.

Length doesn't always matter however. (you'll like this example) Danielson vs Sandow from the past Smackdown was (Y). Only 4:55. I have it at **. I want another match asap.

I'd take a look at it because I'm a big Ryder fan, but I can't stand Barrett so... Decisions, decisions.... I'll watch it before class tomorrow ;)

We need more people like us in the GOAT forum, honestly. We need a more knowledgeable and less Rock-Austin draw war based perspective on things. I wanna see greatness judged by in-ring prowess and mic skills (ACTUAL MIC SKILLS) , not on ratings (because it makes absolutely no sense to judge it on that).

On a side note, I love this overrated/underrated game, I'm gonna start asking the question about everything from now on :p
This thread is a diamond in the "rough" for the WWE section. "Rough" implies the copious amounts of shit that is discussed on a daily basis in said section.

Yeah, go for it. You have a knack for asking the right questions in here and always sparking a discussion, haha.

I had some Rock mark telling me in the other thread that Rock was always a better technical wrestler than Austin, what a joke
Oh my. I'm surprised you even bothered with the topic. You know you're going to get asinine comments like that 99% of the time.
 
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I post alot in the thread just to laugh because it just goes in a circle

Austin mark A: 316 shirt sales argument
Rock mark B: 2000 ratings argument
Austin Mark A: That wouldn't have happened without Austin
Rock mark B: Rock was always a bigger star, even as a heel

And it just goes back and forth :lmao

That thread got me thinking though, what were Austin's best pre WWE matches iyo?
 
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I'd take a look at it because I'm a big Ryder fan, but I can't stand Barrett so... Decisions, decisions.... I'll watch it before class tomorrow ;)

We need more people like us in the GOAT forum, honestly. We need a more knowledgeable and less Rock-Austin draw war based perspective on things. I wanna see greatness judged by in-ring prowess and mic skills (ACTUAL MIC SKILLS) , not on ratings (because it makes absolutely no sense to judge it on that).
I don't know how you feel about fast paced, hard hitting 3 minute matches, but if you like em', you'll like the match.

Honestly, it's pointless to try and argue things when it comes to Rock and Austin with their marks, especially Rock marks since they have more numbers on the forums with Rock's recent returns (I have no doubt more Austin marks will come when he comes back to face Punk). I'm a big mark for both guys, but there is no arguing with them. One says Austin at his peak is the biggest draw of all time. The other says Rock in 1999 surpassed Austin, broke records, etc. "Austin brought in the AE." "Rock kept it going and surpassed Austin." blah blah blah blah blah.

And as far as trying to change the subject to stuff when it doesn't come to drawing, it's just as fruitless of an effort. The main reason is a lot of these people who always argue about ratings will only stick to just those, ratings, numbers, etc., and to be fair, that is the only factual way to really judge someone on the GOAT list. Matches, mic work, etc. is all subjective. So they don't see a point in arguing the technical aspects of a match or promo and would rather just quote numbers from buyrates, ratings, quotes from Meltzer, and all that stuff. I'd like to see things a little more subjective based though as the numbers have been argued to the death not just in that thread, but for the last year or so.

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Yeah, it's good stuff for what was given. Shows me that a match of decent length between the two would be worth a watch. Both are underrated workers, imo.

Length doesn't always matter however. (you'll like this example) Danielson vs Sandow from the past Smackdown was . Only 4:55. I have it at **. I want another match asap.
Really liked the match. **1/2 for me. Still wanted a beard-pulling tug-of-war between the two. :lmao Would've been ********** if that happened.
 
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I had some Rock mark telling me in the other thread that Rock was always a better technical wrestler than Austin, what a joke
Is that the same guy who called Rock a better tag team wrestler then Austin to? I had a browse at the tread yesterday and someone said that, Couldn't believe anyone in there right mind could think that.

Since you'r all talking about over rated and under rated matches. I think Miz vs Rey Mysterio vs Cody Rhodes vs Sin Cara is under rated it was a good matches from what i can remember, and also I'm not sure if it counts but Seth Rollins vs Cody Rhodes from Fort Pierce is very good.
 
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Most underrated:
Kane/Orton at ER. Not a GREAT match by any means, but a really good and entertaining one that was immediately forgotten due to being on a PPV with 3 separate ****1/4+ matches. I almost wanted to say Regal/Ambrose, but it's FCW -- can't expect everyone to have that on their best of lists.

Most overrated:
Rock/Cena. I'm not even sure I have this one at ***. One of the most disappointing matches in recent years.

Favorite:
Lesnar/Cena. Most rewatchable match for me. I never get sick of it. It's absolutely an alien match that was dropped in our laps by benevolent wrestling gods as a reward for putting up with the Brodus Clayishness of today's WWE.
 
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That thread got me thinking though, what were Austin's best pre WWE matches iyo?
v Dustin Rhodes (Halloween Havoc 91)
w/ Larry Zbyszko v Windham/Dustin (SuperBrawl 92)
w/ Rude/Anderson v Windham/Dustin/Steamboat (Pro 4/4/92)
WarGames (WrestleWar 92)
v Steamboat (Clash 20)
Blondes v Steamboat/Douglas (Clash 1/13/93)
Blondes v Bagwell/2 Cold Scorpio (Worldwide 5/8/93)
w/Vader v Flair/Anderson (WCWSN 11/13/93)
v Steamboat (Bash at the Beach 94)
v Steamboat (Clash 8/24/94)



That's his Best Of to me, but he has so much more that's really worth watching. There's Dangerous Alliance tags all over the place. Watch anything he did with Steamboat. There's a Steamboat match from 3/94 that I've seen called their best match together, but I haven't been able to get a hold of it yet. Austin matches up really well Sting in 1994. If Sting came to the WWF in 2001 when Austin was in his Best in the World SuperWorker period they could have had a really good match. Austin has a lump of good matches with Barry Windham in 92, but I didn't really find one that hit a home run for me. Still definitely, definitely worth checking out. Blondes have ton of other really good stuff, but I don't like it a much as the above. Anything with Steamboat/Douglas (except that cage match piece a shit that I hate) or Bagwell/Scorpio is good. v Flair and Arn from the 6/93 Clash I may have listed if not for the terrible finish. The Arn/Roma tags are good shit too. I can't name anything from ECW because I haven't seen 90decimalpoint% of his run there, but he had singles matches with Mikey Whipwreck right? Mikey is awesome so those had to be good.
 
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I was bored out of my mind by the Blonds vs Arn/Roma. Normally I looked to early 90's WCW tag scene to deliver. In that one it didn't for me.

his tag w/Flair vs Sting & Steamboat from Saturday Night 7/30/94 deserves a mention. It's on Steamboat's set iirc.

I honestly think Austin only worked a few matches in ECW. Maybe just the two that are known (vs Whipwreck, and vs Whipwreck & Sandman) Yep. Thumbed through all the ECW shows from when he joined till he was in the WWF and he only worked those two matches. He mostly did promos during his stint there.
 
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Most overrated match of the year:

Cena/Rock from WM deserves a mention no doubt. It simply isn't good. At all. Crowd on TV sucked for the most part too. Rock looked like he was dying half way into it. They sat in rest holds 90% of the time. Kane/Orton earlier in the night was superior. A year long, unbelievably SHIT build and we get a terrible match. Seeing this get ratings of *** and above makes it overrated as hell to me.

Punk/Jericho ER - Its a good match, but certainly not great, and absolutely in no way, shape or form better than their classic WM match. Despite being in Punk's hometown, like WM for Rock/Cena, the crowd sucked on TV. Every now and then they'd pick up, usually to pop for a weapon spot. Part of the match was a little dull too.

And underrated:

Hmmm... not really sure. I think every match that's been good has been given props by everyone here near enough. Ok, some people don't like some matches as much as others, but not really to the point of being underrated unless you just count one or two people's opinions.

Personal favourite match:

Bryan Vs Punk OTL, and likely the best match of the year for me too. Still need to re-watch HIAC... HHH/Taker HIAC. Not the HIAC PPV. Watched Show/Sheamus last night again while I had no internet. Nice to see pretty much everyone enjoying it. Finishing stretch was awesome. Oh yeah, Punk/Bryan. Awesome, awesome contest.
 
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what were Austin's best pre WWE matches iyo?
Love both Rock and Austin but Austin is the better in-ring worker in my opinion. I can see how someone would prefer Rock's style or he just plain entertains them more than Austin or even a Benoit in the ring but comments like him being a better technical wrestler are too much. Austin in WCW - I featured some of Austin's best WCW work in my greatest matches list over a month ago. I believe all the WCW material here is worth checking out.




I decided to put a little list together some of the greatest matches of Stone Cold Steve Austin's legendary career. The matches were chosen based on a combination of my personal favorites, the important moments, and the biggest-most hyped main events. Sometimes career defining moments trumps "technical" match quality and I consider that in the list order. There are only WWF/E and WCW matches on my list but feel free to mention any ECW, USWA, or WCW and WWF matches you believe should be on the list. Austin's had so many quality wrestling matches and big time showdowns throughout his career so it wouldn't surprise me.

It is rewarding as a Steve Austin fan to watch his in-ring performances evolve from his WCW days to his tenure in the WWF/E. In WCW he had much more technical wrestling style and bumped huge for his babyface opponents as a conniving heel. As you will see in my list he did a fantastic job in quite a few tag team matches in WCW. Whether he was teaming with fellow Hollywood Blond Flyin' Brian Pillman or a Dangerous Alliance stable mate, it was sure to be in a ring full talented workers because the opponents were usually equally as good with guys like Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes, and Ricky Steamboat. Speaking of Steamboat, he and Austin had amazing chemistry with each other. Austin's first great series of singles matches were with The Dragon. The pacing of their matches and the flow in their wrestling exchanges is a beauty to watch.

Austin's WWF tenure is certainly special to look back on. His best rivalries ever are represented in this list such as Austin/McMahon, Austin/Rock, Austin/Hart and Austin/Triple H. I love how the Austin/McMahon rivalry was at the center of a lot of Austin's biggest matches. The stakes felt higher due to the awesome Austin/McMahon story arc and classic moment after classic moment happening every week between the Boss and The Rattlesnake. I loved how Austin had to deal with defying McMahon's authority and constantly embarrassing him to Austin having to fight for the WWF Championship with Undertaker, The Rock, Dude Love, Kane, etc.

Austin's 2001 in-ring work is quite possibly could be the single best year, not only of Austin's in-ring career, but of any wrestler in company history. Take a look at the classics he had that year with the likes of Triple H, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Undertaker and of course, The Rock. His heel persona and WWF Title run was pure entertainment. Austin was just on fire that year from an overall entertainment perspective. Not taking anything away from his 1997 because he was excellent that year too, if not better. So Austin's most captivating, memorable as well as great wrestling matches represented.



Steve Austin's 50 Greatest Matches


50. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Mr. McMahon (Steel Cage Match) – WWF St. Valentine's Day Massacre 1999

49. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock – WWF Rebellion 2001

48. Triple H vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (No Holds Barred) – WWF No Mercy 1999

47. Stone Cold Steve Austin, Owen Hart, Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie vs. Triple H, New Age Outlaws & Savio Vega – WWF In Your House 20: No Way Out of Texas 1998

46. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock (Steel Cage Match) – WWF Raw 04/02/2001

45. Kane vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin – WWF Raw 06/29/1998

44. Hollywood Blonds vs. Ric Flair & Arn Anderson (2 out of 3 Falls Match) – WCW Clash Of The Champions XXIII 06/16/1993

43. Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker vs. Triple H vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock vs. Rikishi (Hell In A Cell) – WWF Armageddon 2000

42. Stunning Steve Austin vs. Dustin Rhodes – WCW Halloween Havoc 1991

41. Sting & Ricky Steamboat vs. Ric Flair & Stunning Steve Austin - WCW Saturday Night 07/30/1994


40. Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas vs. Hollywood Blonds - WCW Worldwide 03/27/1993

39. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho – WWF King Of The Ring 2001

38. The Two-Man Power Trip vs. The Brothers Of Destruction (Champions vs. Champions) – WWF Backlash 2001

37. Stunning Steve Austin vs. Barry Windham (2 out of 3 Falls) – WCW Saturday Night 05/09/1992

36. Stunning Steve Austin vs. Ricky Steamboat - WCW Bash At The Beach 1994

35. Kurt Angle vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin – WWF RAW 01/08/2001

34. Stunning Steve Austin & Larry Zbyszko vs. Dustin Rhodes & Barry Windham – WCW SuperBrawl 1992

33. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Chris Benoit – WWF Raw 05/28/2001

32. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock – WWF In Your House: Degeneration X

31. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Kurt Angle vs. Rob Van Dam – WWF No Mercy 2001


30. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Undertaker – WWF Raw 06/28/1999

29. Ravishing Rick Rude & Stunning Steve Austin vs. Sting & Ricky Steamboat – WCW Clash Of The Champions XVIII 01/21/1992

28. Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas vs. Hollywood Blonds – WCW Clash of the Champions XXII 01/13/1993

27. Steve Austin vs. Savio Vega (Caribbean Strap Match) - WWF In Your House 8: Beware of Dog 05/28/1996

26. Stunning Steve Austin vs. Ricky Steamboat - WCW Saturday Night 08/01/1992

25. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock – WWF WrestleMania XV

24. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Undertaker – WWF Judgment Day 2001

23. Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Undertaker vs. Vader – WWF In Your House 13: Final Four 1997

22. Stone Cold Steve Austin & Kurt Angle vs. The Rock & Chris Jericho – WWF Smackdown 11/15/2001

21. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels – WWF King of the Ring 1997


20. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Undertaker – WWF SummerSlam 1998

19. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Bret Hart – WWF In Your House 14: Revenge Of The Taker 1997

18. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Kurt Angle – WWF Unforgiven 2001

17. The Undertaker vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (First Blood “End Of An Era” Match) – WWF Fully Loaded 1999

16. The Hart Foundation vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin, Ken Shamrock, Goldust & L.O.D. – WWF In Your House 16: Canadian Stampede 1997

15. Shawn Michaels vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin – WWF WrestleMania XIV

14. Stunning Steve Austin vs. Ricky Steamboat - WCW Clash Of The Champions XXVIII 08/28/1994

13. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock (No Holds Barred) – WWF Backlash 1999

12. The Dangerous Alliance vs. Sting’s Squadron (War Games) – WCW WrestleWar 1992

11. Stone Cold Steve Austin & Shawn Michaels vs. Owen Hart & Davey Boy Smith – WWF RAW 05/26/1997


10. The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin – WWE WrestleMania XIX

9. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Dude Love – WWF Over The Edge 1998

8. The Two-Man Power Trip vs. Chris Benoit & Chris Jericho – WWF RAW 05/21/2001

7. Team WWF vs. WCW/ECW Alliance (Winner Takes All) – WWF Survivor Series 2001

6. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Triple H (3 Stages of Hell) – WWF No Way Out 2001

5. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Kurt Angle – WWF SummerSlam 2001

4. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Chris Benoit – WWF Smackdown 05/31/2001

3. Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin – WWF Survivor Series 1996

2. The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (No Disqualification) – WWF WrestleMania X-Seven

1. Bret Hart vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin (Submission Match) – WWF WrestleMania 13
 
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