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post #3871 of 20566 (permalink) Old 07-12-2012, 03:26 PM
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

That feud was utter crap and WWE really have to pat themselves on the back for getting the buyrate they did based on the actual content of that feud. Hell the Cole/Lawler feud was better booked week by week for about a month (it got ridiculous closer to Mania and especially post Mania) than Rock/Cena.

Both men delivering the same repetitive promos against one another, WWE somehow failing to explore how big the match was for Cena to truly become an all time great and emerge from the shadow of the Attitude Era greats, to establish 'his generation' as something great etc. The 'insults' were utter garbage from both men and I still don't get how things like 'fruity pebbles' or some of the other lines Rock dropped were as praised as they were: I do get the distinct impression he could say ANYTHING and his greatest fans would spin it as an edgy put-down, and then slate Cena if they said anything remotely similar.

Christ it only took WWE 1 segment to make Lesnar/Cena more interesting and personal than they managed in an entire year with the two biggest Icons at their disposal.
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TBH I'm not sure what people were expecting for Rock/Cena feud. Both do terrible, lame, repetitive promos anyway, so yeah, I got exactly what I expected .
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Only thing I'll say is that moment where Cena interrupted a 15 minute Rock promo and in about 1 minute and a half tore him apart and got right in his face smirking before exiting was one of the more damned burials I've seen against Rock. TBF Rock looked legit pissed during it (and I don't really think he's that great of an actor to convey such hatred in his eyes without being a little pissed) but by just standing there, saying nothing as Cena talked about beating his arse and then getting to within spitting distance and then exiting....and then Rock standing there before finally muttering a reply about bringing it to Cena and stumbling over his words...it was just nothing like you'd expect out of The Rock character.

I'm sure someone on here said during his comeback it felt like Dwayne Johnson playing The Rock, rather than The Rock being out there. And tbh I couldn't agree more with that, whether you wish to argue WWE deliberately held him back in order to have Cena win a segment one week or not, something when watching him just never felt 'right'. Whether he'd been gone too long or something, or he changed it up for a new audience: things like him constantly bringing the fans into the promos: "We can do it" and then begging the crowd to join in etc...it just felt forced and not what The Rock character was about back in his prime. Fans joined in with his promos by themselves, he'd never openly call on the fans to join along or refer to them as a collective 'we', it was always about The Rock.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

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Mankind vs Hunter Hearst Helmsley (Steel Cage) - ***1/2
Goldust vs Brian Pillman - *1/2
Legion Of Doom vs Godwinns - ***
British Bulldog vs Ken Shamrock (European Championship) - **1/4
Los Baricuas vs DOA - *
Owen Hart vs Steve Austin (Intercontinental Championship) - ****
Bret Hart vs Undertaker (WWF championship) - ****1/4 (MOTN, even if it was to set up HBK/Taker's epic feud)

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Brian Pillman vs Goldust - ***
Brian Christopher vs Scott Putzki - *1/2
Crush vs Savio Vega vs Faarooq - 3/4*
Max Mini vs El Torito - **
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Los Baricuas vs DOA - **
Bret Hart & British Bulldog vs Vader and The Patriot (Flag Match) - **1/4
HBK vs Taker (Hell In A Cell) - ***** (MOTY so far - just INCREDIBLE. HBK's selling, Taker being a monster and Kane's debut all make it a awesome, awesome match)

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

I think the opinion of them being boring, lame, repetitive etc is irrelevant. These were the two biggest faces (fuck Hogan) in the history of this business which an actual story behind them. Rock fucking off to Hollywood, Cena staying loyal to the fans and still working in Hollywood, who is the better wrestler, etc, etc.

I agree wherever said they let Cena have some freedom on the mic. He was definitely shooting during some of his promos. The only thing I actually liked about the whole feud was The Rock song, the only time I have laughed at wrestling in years.
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Goddamn, instead of an AE DVD, they should just do an AE tag division DVD.

Not too interested in it outside of NAO, X-Pac, APA, E&C, Shamrock, Blackman & Jericho. No Benoit sucks.

Edit: Dudleyz too.



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Only thing I'll say is that moment where Cena interrupted a 15 minute Rock promo and in about 1 minute and a half tore him apart and got right in his face smirking before exiting was one of the more damned burials I've seen against Rock.
Oof, I remember that. Hell I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the cattier side of this. From that one time they did the Return of Thuganomics/Rock Concert to this one really passionate promo I remember Cena gave (excellent delivery but as people have said, very repetitive. You're only as good as your material I suppose.)

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Goddamn, instead of an AE DVD, they should just do an AE tag division DVD.

Not too interested in it outside of NAO, X-Pac, APA, E&C, Shamrock, Blackman & Jericho. No Benoit sucks.

Edit: Dudleyz too.
Would be a bit similar to that Greatest Tag Teams set they came out with not too long ago, though.


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I'm just worried that we're going to get tons of recycled segments from the OMG: Outrageous moment DVD and the Raw anniversary DVD.



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Rock/Cena feud was shit. Rock/Cena match was alright. Rock/Cena live was unbelievable and something I'll never forget.

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Yep, the feud was kinda disappointing. From Cena smiling like a dickhead when Rock threatens to rip his throat out to The Rock holding back just so golden boy Cena can avoid getting buried.

I enjoyed the match, though. And the fact The Rock won gives it the perfect ending. Cena winning clean would have been one of the most horrible endings I've ever witnessed.
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