[Callamus]

Hey, saying things like that could start an ugly rumour that I don't like TEH GRATEZT OF ALL TEH TIMS Kurt Angle .

Seabs brought the smiley back for me. He loves me. Unlike a certain other admin .

[Choke2Death]

For the Taker streak series, I'll rate the matches from 17 onwards.

vs HHH ***1/2
vs Flair ***1/2 (first wrestling match I remember ever watching back in 2002)
vs A-Train & Big Show *1/2
vs Kane **
vs Orton ****1/4
vs Henry **1/2
vs Batista ****1/2
vs Edge ****
vs HBK *****
vs HBK II ****1/4
vs HHH II ****
vs HHH III *****

Originally Posted by Starbuck

Still can't believe Trips is the only person in history to lose to the same guy 3 times at Mania. He's also the only guy with 3 Mania tap outs too iirc.

:hhh DAT EGO

Btw, gonna watch some early Cena tonight. I'm going with Angle/Cena, No Mercy 03 and Taker/Cena, Vengeance 03.

Thoughts?

Doesn't HHH have the most amount of WM losses after Big Show? (he also has 2 victories he could have done without at WM19 and WM25)

And those are two good matches to choose. Although I'm surprised the No Mercy match made it to the WWE Cena 50 greatest matches list since he loses by tapping out, something they don't want to acknowledge.

[FluxCapacitor]

vs. HHH - ***1/2
vs. Flair - ***1/4
vs. Show/Train - Refuse to watch
vs. Kane - ** - Just for the spectacle
vs. Orton - ****
vs. Henry - **1/2
vs. Batista - ****1/4
vs. Edge - ****1/2 - MOTY
vs. Shawn - ****3/4
vs. Shawn - ***** - MOTY
vs. Triple H - ****1/4 -
vs. Triple H - ****3/4 - Needs a second watch

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Doesn't HHH have the most amount of WM losses after Big Show? (he also has 2 victories he could have done without at WM19 and WM25)

And those are two good matches to choose. Although I'm surprised the No Mercy match made it to the WWE Cena 50 greatest matches list since he loses by tapping out, something they don't want to acknowledge.

He has to win some of his matches or he really would be a Mania jobber lol. Right now he's at 7 Wins and 9 Losses I think. Make him lose another 2 and he would be 5 Wins and 11 Losses including 3 defeats to the same man and 3 main event tap outs. That would just be a stupid record.

[Choke2Death]

Originally Posted by Starbuck

He has to win some of his matches or he really would be a Mania jobber lol. Right now he's at 7 Wins and 9 Losses I think. Make him lose another 2 and he would be 5 Wins and 11 Losses including 3 defeats to the same man and 3 main event tap outs. That would just be a stupid record.

Which is why he didn't need to take on Undertaker two more times than needed. (I'm glad he did just for the matches, though)

But just think if he had also lost at Mania 19 and 25, it would have been 6 WM losses in a row! Kinda weird for someone who's so closely associated with the word "burying".

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Which is why he didn't need to take on Undertaker two more times than needed. (I'm glad he did just for the matches, though)

But just think if he had also lost at Mania 19 and 25, it would have been 6 WM losses in a row! Kinda weird for someone who's so closely associated with the word "burying".

He buries 364 days of the year and gets buried one day of the year. I think that would be a fair trade off. As for Taker Mania matches since 17:

vs HHH ****
vs Flair ***3/4
vs A-Train & Big Show **
vs Kane **1/4
vs Orton ****1/4
vs Henry *3/4
vs Batista ****1/2
vs Edge ****1/4
vs HBK *****
vs HBK II ****1/2
vs HHH II ***1/2
vs HHH III ****

[Callamus]

vs HHH ****1/4
vs Flair ****1/4
vs A-Train & Big Show **3/4
vs Kane **3/4
vs Orton ****1/4
vs Henry **1/4
vs Batista ****1/2
vs Edge ****1/2
vs HBK *****
vs HBK II *****
vs HHH II ****3/4
vs HHH III ****3/4

[Brye]

Triple H hasn't needed to win a WM in a good 10 years.

[Hazaq]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Doesn't HHH have the most amount of WM losses after Big Show?

That was until WM 27, Show won WM 28 so his record stands at 8 losses. Right now HHH has the worst record with 9 losses.

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Which is why he didn't need to take on Undertaker two more times than needed. (I'm glad he did just for the matches, though)

He didnt. Those matches were meant to draw money, thats it. without the streak matches from last two wrestlemanias you're looking 800k buys at best, not a million. Dont know why people keep assuming HHH needed to take on the undertaker and then lose just for the fuck of it.

Originally Posted by Brye

Triple H hasn't needed to win a WM in a good 10 years.

Let me rephrase, He didnt need to stay a heel for four long years and put over guys every Mania. He could have turned face lot sooner and won his mania matches if he cared like the Undertaker.

[Saint Dick]

No Way Out 2012
Sheamus v Dolph Ziggler - ***3/4
Tuxedo Match - DUD
Christian v Cody Rhodes - ***1/2
Tag Team 4 Way - **
Layla v Beth Phoenix - *1/4
Hunico v Sin Cara - *1/2
CM Punk v Daniel Bryan v Kane - ***1/2
Ryback v Jobbers - DUD
Big Show v John Cena - **1/2

-- The opener was really great. I can see this becoming a forgotten gem in the future because it's not a classic, it's not as good as Sheamus' true breakthrough match against Bryan, and it's not exactly a defining match for Ziggler either, but it's fucking good. Fantastic performance from Ziggler. Best worker in the company right now behind Bryan and Punk imo.

-- Christian/Cody was also really good. You can't go wrong with face Christian in the ring. Come to think of it he might be my number 3 pushing Dolph down to 4. Cody was on point here too. Lots of neat stuff throughout capped by a sweet finishing stretch.

-- Tyson Kidd should be holding a mid-card title and having great singles matches on PPV. Dude's wasted in that tag team. Match was okay. The AW swerve was well done. Rosa's hot.

-- Layla/Beth didn't totally suck but their previous match was much better.

-- Is weird lighting during his matches supposed to get Sin Cara over? I don't care about him at all.

-- Punk/Bryan/Kane was fun with lots of good action. The thing is the triple threat formula is so played out that it's hard to go beyond that level of "really good" unless you have a special character dynamic or story going on (Cena/HBK/HHH for example). Maybe they should try more elimination style three ways. Anyways, this was good apart from Bryan disappearing a couple of times. I've been a big supporter of Punk's reign and I'm glad they've let him hold the belt this long but surely they need to pull the trigger on Bryan in the coming months.

-- Solid main event. Could've shaved a few minutes off the slow start but overall it was well executed. Shame Cena and Show have never been able to replicate or surpass that really good TV match they had a few years ago (on Smackdown I think).

I plan on re-watching everything in my top 10 at the end of the year but right now it looks like this:

1. Undertaker v Triple H - Wrestlemania XXVIII (****1/4)
2. Brock Lesnar v John Cena - Extreme Rules (****1/4)
3. CM Punk v Daniel Bryan - Over the Limit (****1/4)
4. Sheamus v Daniel Bryan - Extreme Rules (****)
5. CM Punk v Chris Jericho - Wrestlemania XXVIII (****)
6. Sheamus v Dolph Ziggler - No Way Out (***3/4)
7. Raw Elimination Chamber - Elimination Chamber (***3/4)
8. CM Punk v Mark Henry - Raw 4/2/12 (***1/2)
9. CM Punk v Daniel Bryan - Raw 1/30/12 (***1/2)
10. CM Punk v Chris Jericho - Extreme Rules (***1/2)