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post #3521 of 20566 (permalink) Old 06-30-2012, 08:27 PM
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That was 2007, I think.

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I think it was just a 1 disc short doc with a couple matches on it.



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Nice to see the Taker SD 2004 and Mysterio Raw 2011 matches get love in the Top 20. Angle No Mercy 03 match is highly underrated. I'd put it where the NWO match is at if anything. I'm not too bothered by WWE's order because I'm used to it being weird. They did cover the best stuff for the most part. They could have added Raw match with HBK in 2009 over one of those TV tag matches and probably SummerSlam with Punk but the list doesn't look bad. They should make an anthology set for it. I bet a bunch of people would buy 5+ discs of Cena.


No Cena vs Jesus w/ Carlito??!?
Blasphemy!!

That's like having a HHH top 50 an not having his classic with Orton at WM25. There both my favorite kind of match! One sided bouts worth boring offense on a guy who can't sell!!

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Do you know what match I love? Jericho v Benoit RR01. *****, and I'd even say that it was the new 'standard' in terms of ladder matches. Wrestling (especially ladder matches) have changed a lot since Wrestlemania X.

This helps me segue into my review for today.

Ladder Match TIT No Mercy '99
The Brood (Matt & Jeff Hardy) vs Edge & Christian


THIS is the match that set the new standard for ladder matches today. While I do love Benoit/Jericho, this match took place nearly 2 years before it. This match is often forgotten, especially compared to there TLC matches and the traingle ladder match. What this match did was change the ladder match from more of an almost technical like match to the spotfest that many identify the ladder match as. Before this match the ladder match was more strategy based then full on mayhem. Incapacitate your opponent to get up the ladder, simple. Now the match is seen as an all out war with the last man standing winning. There can be debate about whether this is good or bad for the match but that's not my point. My point is this is the match to first do this, even though many consider the WM2000 one as the first. Also this is the first time more than two competitors were ever in a ladder match, another big staple as RARELY EEEEVER see just two guys in ladder match anymore.

So there's a little history. But why do I love this match? Three reasons:


1. This match doesn't feel like as much of a cluttered mess as many current ladder matches do. Any more these matches are just jumbled messes, ESPECIALLY Money in the Bank. This match does it like organized chaos. For the most part it doe st seem like they're just setting up for later spots like MITB does.

2. The idea is really fresh here. As said above this match changed what ladder matches later became. So the moves we're fresh. Nowadays we expect the bumps and the spots, but it wasn't expected here. And some spots are pretty innovative too. They even do the spot that shattered Mercurys face right here. But the third reason is MOST important to me.

3. The crowd did not give two shits about this match. At least at first they didn't. Remember at this point these teams were just lower mid card guys
With long hair. Jeff Hardy wasn't known as a daredevil, Matt didn't have Lita, and Edge and Christian weren't reeking of awesomeness yet. During their entrances you can almost here crickets. So why does that make this match better than other matches? Simple. By the end of it every person that was sitting down was on their feet. These guy went into that match and won the crowd over, something not easy to do in wrestling, especially more casual fans. By the end of it you felt like you just saw the future of this business flash before your eyes. And you kinda did, 3 of the 4 went on to be World Champion. And it all started here.

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I'm taking my viewings another step further and watching every singles PPV match HHH had in 2003. Half of the people who know me say I'm crazy, the other half are wrong.

v Scott Steiner (No Way Out)- Not as stupidly awesome as the historically shitty Rumble match, but pretty terrible/fantastic in it's own right. Trip has a bandaged leg going in and Steiner wastes little time going for it. Which was stupid. When he fired the first shot HHH backed away and looked like 'oh shit I better watch out,' only for Scotty for pound it for the next two minutes. They could have played a good theme, but I guess Steiner didn't want to waste time and become the wheezing huffing sack he was in the first match. The punches in this....oh Lord the punches. I'm not a guy who really thinks punches can make or break a match (they'd have to be amazing or miss by two feet), but they can certainly add or subtract. And these were the most light and feathery punches you'll ever see. When Trip first goes for the Pedigree Steiner gets out of it and throws the absolute worst one you'll see in some time. I thought it was actually kind if funny. Not as funny as the awkward-as-all-hell top rope....suplex...angle slam...thing. It wasn't even that, Steiner gets Trip in the wrong direction at first then just puts him on his shoulders and tilts backwards. Reminded me of Wile E. Coyote falling on a cliff really slowly while riding a rocket. They actually sort of play off the Rumble match; I didn't mention this when talking about that one, but Trip threw Hebner out of the ring and Hebner refused to DQ him. I can only imagine what people watching it live would have thought. "NOOO!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.......PLEASE END THIS EARL" They sort of do the same thing here, but the crowd actually boo Hebner, mostly because they're Montrealions (Montrealites.....Montrealicians, Montrealasians, IDK) and are full of hate about the screwjob. Which is ironic since Trip played a bigger part in it than Earl did. Flair calls for Orton and Batista, and no joke, their selling is the best part of either Steiner/HHH match. Orton looked great for those 23 seconds. I thought it was nice that Steiner kicked out when HHH hit him with the belt following that, but there is literally nothing between that and the Pedigree that scores him the win. I don't understand who'd book that or why they did, but sweet ice cream on a cone it can get funny. Just terrible wrestling. Don't expect to find these matches funny like I did.

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The reason Steiner got a title shot straight away is because both Stephanie and Bischoff were trying to sign him to their brand, and offering him a shot at the title helped sway his decision.
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WWE Superstars 10.11.11 - Daniel Bryan vs William Regal

This feels like it never really got going. There were some nice things in, like some early armwork from Regal and then kneework by Bryan and some decent suplexes etc. But it just felt like neither man clicked and could really show what they were capable of which is a bit sad. Not a bad match, just kind of disappointing considering who was in it

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Finlay vs Chris Benoit - Judgement Day 2006

This was great. Just two guys beating the hell out of each other. Finlay plays a sadistic bastard really well (some of his neckwork looks brutal and is just fantastic) and Benoit has the crowd behind him which helps his comebacks. A really nice touch I noticed from Finlay too was whenever Benoit went for a German Finlay would actually try to fight out of it which is something I don't really see that much. I remember hearing good things about this a while back and it definitely delivered.

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Love that Benoit/Finlay match as well as their Smackdown matches that year 5/5/06 and 11/24/06. Perfect example of smash mouth wrestling. Also check out Benoit/Regal from Velocity 7/16/05. The way those men made their matches feel like a fight and struggle was magnificent to watch. The chops, the headbutts, the forearm smashes, the suplexes ~ glorious!


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WWE Superstars 10.11.11 - Daniel Bryan vs William Regal

This feels like it never really got going. There were some nice things in, like some early armwork from Regal and then kneework by Bryan and some decent suplexes etc. But it just felt like neither man clicked and could really show what they were capable of which is a bit sad. Not a bad match, just kind of disappointing considering who was in it

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Finlay vs Chris Benoit - Judgement Day 2006

This was great. Just two guys beating the hell out of each other. Finlay plays a sadistic bastard really well (some of his neckwork looks brutal and is just fantastic) and Benoit has the crowd behind him which helps his comebacks. A really nice touch I noticed from Finlay too was whenever Benoit went for a German Finlay would actually try to fight out of it which is something I don't really see that much. I remember hearing good things about this a while back and it definitely delivered.

****1/2

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Love that Benoit/Finlay match as well as their Smackdown matches that year 5/5/06 and 11/24/06. Perfect example of smash mouth wrestling. Also check out Benoit/Regal from Velocity 7/16/05. The way those men made their matches feel like a fight and struggle was magnificent to watch. The chops, the headbutts, the forearm smashes, the suplexes ~ glorious!
i'll give those a watch, thanks.

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