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****1/2 on HBK/Cena and **** for Batista/Taker for me. Both wonderful matches.



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I always found Taker/Batista (WM) overrated. It was a good match. In fact, it was great, but not MOTYC or something like that. It was entertaining to watch with all that bomb moves and all, but it was just that - moves.

HBK/Cena, on the other hand, was a legit MOTYC.
I feel the exact opposite, especially on a very recent watch of both matches. HBK/Cena, while still a great match wasn't quite as good as I remembered it being, and I think it gets more praise than it deserves because HBK was involved (and lets be honest, when HBK/McMahon WM gets ****+ ratings from a lot of people like I've seen, you know it's taken to an extreme at times). The match just got really boring at times and I don't think the action was anywhere near as interesting as Taker/Batista. It's still a great match in my eyes no doubt, but I can't agree with the praise it gets as anything remotely a MOTYC (so I guess I'll have to agree to disagree )

Taker/Batista was 15 minutes of non-stop, hard-hitting action that felt like a real sprint to see who could beat whom. The two delivered a classic and MOTY on that night in my opinion.

Taker/Batista- ****1/2
HBK/Cena- ***3/4 (used to be ****1/4)

I still need to give their hour long match a re-watch (which, since it's close to an hour probably won't be happening anytime soon), but I had that at ****1/2, and that match I feel really rivals Taker/Batista. Cena/Umaga falls into the same category. Those three matches are the elite matches of 2007 imo. Also the fatal four-way from Backlash is up there.

Edit: Batista's best WM matches:

Batista

vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania 23 ****1/2
vs. John Cena at Wrestlemania 26 ***3/4
with Randy Orton and Ric Flair vs. The Rock and Sock Connection at Wrestlemania 20 ***1/4
vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania 21 **1/2
vs. Umaga at Wrestlemania 24 **

and I'll do a few more (whether they've been done in the thread yet or not):

Cena:

1) vs. HBK WM23- ***3/4
2) vs. Batista WM26- ***3/4
3) vs. Orton and HHH WM24- ***1/2
4) vs. HHH WM22- ***1/4
5) vs. Edge and Big Show WM25- ***1/4

HBK:

1) vs. Undertaker WM25- *****
2) vs. Jericho WM19- ****3/4
3) vs. Razor Ramon WM10- ****3/4
4) vs. Undertaker WM26- ****1/2
5) vs. Benoit vs. HHH WM20- ****1/2

(Despite what I said earlier about HBK matches getting more praise than they deserve generally, this guy is no doubt Mr. Wrestlemania and has some of the best matches of all time at Wrestlemania. It just feels like people have every HBK match at WM as a classic, which I can't agree with it at all, though his only bad match I have him with is his match against Vince).

Undertaker:

1) vs. HBK WM25- *****
2) vs. HBK WM26- ****1/2
3) vs. Batista WM23- ****1/2
4) vs. Orton WM21- ****1/4
5) vs. Edge WM24- ****1/4

HHH:

1) vs. HBK vs. Benoit WM20- ****1/2
2) vs. Undertaker WM17- ****
3) vs. Orton vs. Cena WM24- ***1/2
4) vs. Undertaker WM27- ***1/2
5) vs. Booker T WM19- ***1/2 (actually a really good match that most don't remember)

Rock:

1) vs. Austin WM17- *****
2) vs. Austin WM19- ****1/2
3) vs. Austin WM15- ***3/4
4) vs. Hogan WM18- ***1/2
5) vs. Foley vs. Big Show vs. HHH WM16- ***1/4

Austin:

1) vs. Bret Hart WM13- *****
2) vs. Rock WM17- *****
3) vs. Rock WM19- ****1/2
4) vs. HBK WM14- ****
5) vs. Rock WM15- ***3/4

Jericho WM Matches:

1) vs. Michaels WM19- ****3/4
2) MITB 1 WM21- ****1/4
3) vs. Edge WM26- ****
4) vs. Christian WM20- ****
5) MITB 4 WM24- ****

Edit: Also, if I add up the star ratings, this is where each guy ranks:

1) HBK: 23.5
2) Taker: 22.5
3) Austin: 22.25
4) Jericho: 21
5) Rock: 20
6) HHH: 19
7) Cena: 17.5
8) Batista: 16

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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

To add to your list

Savage

vs. Steamboat WM3 - **** 3/4
vs. Warrior WM7 - **** 1/2
vs. Flair WM8 - **** 1/2
vs. Hogan WM5 - *** 3/4
vs. DiBiase WM4 - *** 1/4


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Ric Flair & The Four Horsemen

Disc Two
Arn Anderson, Ole Anderson, & Ric Flair vs. Pez Whatley, Italian Stallion, & Rocky King - **1/2
Steel Cage Match: Ric Flair vs. Ricky Morton - ****
First Blood Match: Tully Blanchard vs. Dusty Rhodes *
War Games Match: The Four Horsemen vs. Dusty Rhodes, Dr. Death, Lex Luger, Nikita Koloff, & Paul Ellering - ***3/4
Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard vs. Sting & Nikita Koloff - ***
Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard vs. Barry Windham & Lex Luger - ***1/4
Arn Anderson vs. Ric Flair - ***3/4

Whilst not the greatest selection of matches, this 2 Disc set is worth it alone for the incredible documentary. Think I've watched the documentary a good six or seven times, it's that good. Set is only 6 on SilverVision too, if you don't have this set, get it. Also, Arn Anderson DVD please
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Michaels is probably number 1 at Mania just behind Taker. If I had to sit there and watch a wrestlers top 5 mania matches in a row I'd probably go with Austin, he entertains the shit out of me, love his mania matches. I'll throw another wrestler in for good measure:

Jericho

1. vs Mixhaels (WM XIX) - ****1/2
2. MITB - ****1/2
3. vs Edge (WM 26) - ***3/4
4. vs Christian (WM 21) - ***1/2
5. vs Benoit vs Angle (WM 2000) - ***1/4

Hes never really been consistently at the top, till now-ish. I think his match with Punk given time could hit a low 4* range.
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To add to your list

Savage

vs. Steamboat WM3 - **** 3/4
vs. Warrior WM7 - **** 1/2
vs. Flair WM8 - **** 1/2
vs. Hogan WM5 - *** 3/4
vs. DiBiase WM4 - *** 1/4
I agree with the 5 matches but I'd flip the Warrior & Flair matches, give Savage/Hogan 4 stars and also give Savage/Steamboat 5 stars but thats just how I roll.

I read that Vince wanted Savage/DiBiase to be much longer (like 25 mins) but they were short on time which is why it was 10. Those two in a 25 minute winner take all match for the winged eagle may have ended up one of the best title matches ever. I saw them meet at a house show a few weeks later. I remember it pretty well even though I was young. It was a great 20 min match. Their match at Wrestlefest later that summer was great and they had a good cage match as well. Great chemistry with Randy and Ted.

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Michaels is probably number 1 at Mania just behind Taker. If I had to sit there and watch a wrestlers top 5 mania matches in a row I'd probably go with Austin, he entertains the shit out of me, love his mania matches. I'll throw another wrestler in for good measure:

Jericho

1. vs Mixhaels (WM XIX) - ****1/2
2. MITB - ****1/2
3. vs Edge (WM 26) - ***3/4
4. vs Christian (WM 21) - ***1/2
5. vs Benoit vs Angle (WM 2000) - ***1/4

Hes never really been consistently at the top, till now-ish. I think his match with Punk given time could hit a low 4* range.
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I have almost the same matches as you...

Jericho WM Matches:

1) vs. Michaels WM19- ****3/4
2) MITB 1 WM21- ****1/4
3) vs. Edge WM26- ****
4) vs. Christian WM20- ****
5) MITB 4 WM24- ****

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Jericho V Edge at WM 28 was awesome.

I really think Punk and Jericho could have an amazing show stealing show. Hope they get a good chunk of time. Like 20 mins.

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Punk/Jericho will probably end in a rollup of some kind I believe. My guess is, Jericho will go for another Walls of Jericho and get small packaged. I just don't see Punk pinning Jericho with a elbow drop or GTS and certainly not by submission.
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United States Champion = A canadian/italian

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