[zep81]

Speaking of 'the streak', I still vividly remember Taker's first Mania vs Snuka, being 10 at the time, I didn't have much knowledge of how good or big of a star Snuka really was tbh, but as soon as Taker came down I was like whoa,

I know its a squash match but I still love the debut, and I know alot of people who diminish the original Undertaker look, but I still love it, and a couple of years ago I wanted him to be that old Taker fir one more match, Paul Bearer et all, and the funeral parlour was great,

Probably just me though lol.

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Clique

Plus, I'm still waiting for my extensive HHH documentary with him talking *out of character* about his career/life because he hasn't had a proper DVD set in 5 fucking years!

I know how you feel lol. Still waiting on that Trips DVD, a proper one with a documentary and not just matches like the last one back in 2007. It has been removed from the list twice now iirc. Fucking rage lol.

[King_Kool-Aid™]

When is JBL ever going to get a DVD set?

[Lazyking]

JBL doesn't need a set.

[The Beast Incarnate]

You know what ? I thought about something recently that caught my attention.

(This is all just my opinion BTW) at No Way Out 2006, Kurt Angle and the Undertaker wrestled a **** 3/4 match, and the MOTY IMO. It wasn't until THREE YEARS LATER at Wrestlemania XXV when The Undertaker and Shawn Michaels delivered a ***** classic that we got another **** 3/4 encounter. That's a REAAAAALLYYY long time in between matches.

Just think about this year; I'd put both the WM XXVIII HIAC and the Punk-Bryan match from OTL at **** 3/4 , and it's only been a few months. Just a random thought how rare are **** 3/4 exactly in your mind ?

**** 3/4+ matches from 2002-Present (IMO)

NM 2002 Tag
Brock vs Taker HIAC
Eddie vs Brock NWO 04
HHH vs HBK vs Benoit WM XX
HHH vs Batista Ven 05
Taker vs Angle NWO 06
Taker vs Michaels WM XXV
Taker vs Michaels WM XXVI
Taker vs HHH WM XXVII
Cena vs Punk MITB 2011
Taker vs HHH WM XXVIII
Punk vs Bryan OTL 2012

That's 12 matches in 10 years. Undertaker is in SIX of them, which is insane considering that you can argue that he has another two matches with Kurt Angle that are **** 3/4 encounters as well. HHH could easily have 6 as well (in some people's eyes). That makes the odds of seeing another **** 3/4 match this year very, very slim. So we might as well start the argument; What's the TRUE match of 2012 ?

[Gamblor]

^Pretty nice list. Not sure on all matches, but here's what I know for sure I have at ****3/4+ since 2002:

Taker/Lesnar NM02 HIAC
Angle/Benoit RR03 (*****)
HBK/Jericho WM19
Taker/Angle SD03 (*****)
Lesnar/Angle SD03 Ironman
Taker/Angle NWO06 (*****)
Taker/Edge SS08 HIAC
Taker/Michaels WM25 (*****)
Punk/Bryan OTL12 (*****)

(Obviously if match rating is not in parenthesis, it's ****3/4 for me)

9 matches. I do lol that I have more ***** matches than ****3/4, though that might change as I'm highly considering taking Taker/Angle SD03 back to ****3/4. The match itself is a worthy *****, but the ending just irks me more and more the more I think about it. I'm gonna give it a rewatch one of these days and decide then... even though I just watched it a short time ago.

I'll also do ****1/2, since I consider that to be classic level matches as well (off the top of my head):

Undertaker/Rock/Angle Vengeance 02
HBK/HHH SS02
NM02 Tag
EC SS02
Rock/Austin WM19
HBK/Benoit/HHH WM20
HBK/Benoit Raw Showdown in the Desert (I think that was the tagline... and I don't necessarily have it at ****1/2, but it's one of those matches I remember being awesome and feel it's worth and mention and that it could be ****1/2 after I rewatch it. Haven't seen it in years)
HBK/Angle WM21
HBK/Benjamin Raw 05 Gold Rush
Batista/HHH Vengeance 05 HIAC
Edge/Matt Hardy Unforgiven 05 Cage (recently re-watched it and clocked it in at ****1/2. Best cage match I've ever seen imo)
Cena/Umaga RR07
Undertaker/Batista WM23
HBK/Cena Raw in London 07
Jericho/Mysterio Bash 09
Taker/HBK WM26
Punk/Cena MITB 11
Punk/Jericho WM28

That's just off the top of my head as well. I'm sure I've forgotten some matches, but that's a pretty nice list of ****1/2+ matches since 02 if I do say so myself. There's a ton of ****1/4 matches as well I could think of that are just borderline classic... but that would be too long to make right now.

So we might as well start the argument; What's the TRUE match of 2012 ?

What's the argument? It's Punk/Bryan OTL by a country mile.

Oh right... people put Taker/HHH HIAC on that classic level as well...

I really don't feel like arguing this though, again, since I'd just be stating the reasons why I loved Punk/Bryan and why I did like, but not love Taker/HHH that I've stated about a bajillion times in the past two months.

If I see anything I want to refute/argue/etc., THEN I SHALL!

[FandanGOAT]

WWE wise, MOTY is Punk/Bryan from OTL with Lesnar/Cena closely behind it. Granted Lesnar/Cena wasn't a ****3/4-***** classic but, it's uniqueness made the match that much more enjoyable.

[Razor King]

Thinking about it...

**** 3/4 matches since the Brand Split:

- Michaels/Hunter @ SummerSlam 2002
- Angle-Benoit/Edge-Mysterio @ No Mercy 2002
- Angle/Benoit @ Royal Rumble 2003
- Angle/Michaels @ WrestleMania 21
- Batista/Hunter @ Vengeance 2005
- Angle/Undertaker @ No Way Out 2006
- Jericho/Michaels @ No Mercy 2008
- Undertaker/Michaels @ WrestleMania 25
- Punk/Cena @ MITB 2011
- Undertaker/Hunter @ WrestleMania 28

Wow, Angle has 4 matches. Riot! The bolded one is my fav of the lot.

5-star matches since then:

- Benoit/Hunter/Michaels @ WrestleMania XX
- Undertaker/Michaels @ WrestleMania XXVI
- Undertaker/Hunter @ WrestleMania XXVII

So, all matches include either Michaels or Hunter. Cool.

[zep81]

popped in CEX earlier picked up Wrestlemania 21 3 Disc DVD, only £3.00 perfect condition, trying to collect some manias from 18 onwards, some are expensive though I've found..

[Clique]

Originally Posted by K1ngOfK1ngs

**** 3/4 matches from 2002-Present (IMO)

Angle/Benoit vs. Mysterio/Edge NM 02
Brock vs Taker HIAC NM 02
Angle vs. Benoit RR 03
HHH vs HBK vs Benoit WM XX
Angle vs. Michaels WM 21
Angle vs. Taker NWO 06
End of an Era WM XXVIII


5 star

Taker vs Michaels WM XXV
Taker vs Michaels WM XXVI