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this needs to happen , and soon
That was supposed to be the first in the series. But I guess they thought Rock and Austin DVDs along with Hart/Michaels in the same room would be bigger.

I hope to see this in the next year, 4 discs.

1. Documentary like Rock/Cena. They have a lot of footage for Rock and Austin backstage like they showed in the Mania of WM.

2. Interview like Bret and Shawn talking about the program. Rock/Austin/JR.

3. Matches and segments in order, like Rock/Cena.

4. Extras with all the off-air segments, rare interviews etc.

So far, it was one of the best years ever for their DVDs, and you still got nWo(Hopefully objective, not rewriting history like typical WWE, Nash is there which should be great and I hope they can get Bischoff and Hogan)and Attitude Era DVDs in November. GOAT material.
 
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If there's one thing I've noticed while watching this PPV (RR04), it's that everything feels more real compared to the artificial feel that goes along with WWE today imo. I don't know if that's to do with the investment in the characters combined with the experience level of the talent or because the overall presentation wasn't so clean back then. I don't know. But the video package for the Rumble match itself, when you compare it to the ones from today it's shocking how big of a difference there is.

As an aside, holy fuck at that extra of HHH/HBK backstage after their match. Brutal. Absolutely brutal.
I know what you mean. The old stuff have that gritty and raw (no pun intended) feeling to them, the Attitude Era specially. Today, it looks like a theater on some soap opera shit. For instance, it was goofy as fuck earlier this year when Kane crawled through the hole inside the ring to "drag" Zack Ryder to "hell" whereas in previous renditions of a similar segment, you don't get that super-fake feeling. Going HD and the improved technology making the quality clearer has done that IMO. That's also why over-the-top gimmicks are a rarity nowadays because it's hard to pull off something like the Deadman without getting laughed at.
 
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I agree with you guys. Just look at this promo and the grittiness in its presentation. They made you feel the animosity, there were stakes in the main events (championships, competition, or blood) that you cared about

Hm, first time I've ever seen that promo, though I do think it's rather tame compared to this one from years earlier:



But I do agree Starbuck and Choke2Death. I think it's one of the things that has turned a lot of people away, but it's definitely made it a more kid friendly show, for better and/or worse.

And on the subject of video packages, I just watched a few from back then. HBK/HHH Bad Blood, Orton/HHH Unforgiven, EC 2002, Taker/Lesnar Unforgiven 02 and NM 02 and 03, and many others from that time period and all of them were fantastic. I think kick ass music is what's missing from a lot of video packages nowadays. Even one of the best in recent memory in Taker/HBK WM26 had music that greatly complimented the video. Of course it's not required as Punk/Cena from MITB last year shows, but it does add a lot imo.
 
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I wasn't referring specifically to promo videos because they are one of the better things about the shows these days imo. I meant the actual content of the promos I suppose. I mean, that 2004 RR promo wasn't just about the numbers of the match or the fact that anybody could win and would get their Mania shot. There were stories within the promo. There was something tangible in it. Nowadays we just get DURR GET GUD NUMBER WIN DA RUMBLE. They had a story for Benoit set up, they had guys interacting with each other, they had the Raw vs. SD thing going on, the had the general manages rooting for their brands, they had JR making everything mean something. When I said that WWE today is rather artificial, that's what I meant. We all know the Rumble is important etc but it doesn't feel half as important or special today as it did in the past. It's important because WWE tells us its important, not because we are connected to a particular set of characters, any one of which could go on to win the thing and experience their dream. If any of that makes sense lol. WWE today = artificial and manufactured emotions connected to the product through poor storytelling and booking. WWE then = real and tangible emotions connected to the product through great storytelling and booking. You felt it because you felt it, not because WWE told you to.
 
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Fucking HATE the RR promo vids they do now. Same damn thing ever year for the past what, 3 or 4 years now? Just that shitty "by the numbers" crap that only changes slightly as certain numbers get bigger because more people have entered into the match and shit. Boring, dull, uninspiring and a damn shame because I adore the RR match more than anything else all year.
 
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Fucking HATE the RR promo vids they do now. Same damn thing ever year for the past what, 3 or 4 years now? Just that shitty "by the numbers" crap that only changes slightly as certain numbers get bigger because more people have entered into the match and shit. Boring, dull, uninspiring and a damn shame because I adore the RR match more than anything else all year.
Plus when they talk about the winners from the number one spot, they say two have done it and only Shawn Michaels is displayed. Rather than blatantly disregarding Benoit while acknowledging him, they should find a way to cover it up.
 
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Plus when they talk about the winners from the number one spot, they say two have done it and only Shawn Michaels is displayed. Rather than blatantly disregarding Benoit while acknowledging him, they should find a way to cover it up.
How do you propose they do it without actually showing Benoit?

WWE (quite rightly) don't want to show Benoit in any kind of glory and by acknowledging his Royal Rumble achievement on-screen, they would be doing just that.

Just be thankful they haven't rewritten history and said HBK is the only person to do it.
 
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I wasn't referring specifically to promo videos because they are one of the better things about the shows these days imo. I meant the actual content of the promos I suppose. I mean, that 2004 RR promo wasn't just about the numbers of the match or the fact that anybody could win and would get their Mania shot. There were stories within the promo. There was something tangible in it. Nowadays we just get DURR GET GUD NUMBER WIN DA RUMBLE. They had a story for Benoit set up, they had guys interacting with each other, they had the Raw vs. SD thing going on, the had the general manages rooting for their brands, they had JR making everything mean something. When I said that WWE today is rather artificial, that's what I meant. We all know the Rumble is important etc but it doesn't feel half as important or special today as it did in the past. It's important because WWE tells us its important, not because we are connected to a particular set of characters, any one of which could go on to win the thing and experience their dream. If any of that makes sense lol. WWE today = artificial and manufactured emotions connected to the product through poor storytelling and booking. WWE then = real and tangible emotions connected to the product through great storytelling and booking. You felt it because you felt it, not because WWE told you to.
As a mod now you need to get out your Mr Mcmahon avatar and signature.
 
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How do you propose they do it without actually showing Benoit?

WWE (quite rightly) don't want to show Benoit in any kind of glory and by acknowledging his Royal Rumble achievement on-screen, they would be doing just that.

Just be thankful they haven't rewritten history and said HBK is the only person to do it.
I checked out the 2007 promo a few hours ago and that one is a good example. They don't specify "So and so have won from this number" and make it just a bunch of statistics. It's just a well done video that shows a lot of things that have taken place at the Royal Rumble, including epic endings, Kane destroying everyone in 2001 and so on. Just generally hyping the show up to be something that we get once in a year and should be excited about. With the statistic video, it is barely hyping up the event itself, it's just displaying a bunch of statistics, updated every year to include the previous year. And they make it clear that only 2 have won from #1, the same amount as #30 but they just show 3 people which handicaps it.
 
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