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Old 06-01-2012, 01:36 PM   #2871 (permalink)
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Elimination Chambers have been able to survive without the blood but I completely agree on the HIACs. Things like Orton/Sheamus or Punk/Del Rio/Cena have no business being in a cell.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:26 PM   #2872 (permalink)
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Hell in a Cell XXI

The Undertaker vs Kane

Thirteen years after the first cell match and these two are STILL feuding, although the idea of Undertaker and Kane in the Cell sounds right. I don't think either of these guys were on their A game at all during their 2010 series (excluding NOC 2010), especially in this match, although there are times that these two do show flashes of what once was. This is already better than the first cell match of the night from the get go, as this match actually has heat on it and belongs in the cell, and the fact that it is more of a brawl on the outside of the ring instead of a wrestling match, which is extremely smart for these guys. I swear to god we actually get psychology in this match, as Kane just dominates Taker's left leg until Taker can barely stand or execute a move anymore. I mean, literally 50 percent of the match is Kane working on Undertaker's leg, and although it gets a little monotonous, I think it's good that these two are trying to use psychology to add another dimension to their storytelling.

The problems with this match are simple; The pacing is EXTREMELY slow, and it seems like both of these men are just not trying their hardest (botching a few moves, some sloppy ring work). To their credit however, this is a fairly entertaining match when the flashes of Undertaker of old start to come into play. The double big boot/double sit up is an awesome spot that gets the crowd involved in this match. It's crazy to think that even at such a slow pace, these guys are getting the crowd into this. Basically this match is Kane dominating Undertaker with Undertaker showing signs of his old self at times, but when the tide changes and Taker begins to dominate Kane, Paul Bearer turns on the Undertaker again (SHOCKER I know...) and takes away Taker's energy, allowing Kane to win the match. I hated the ending to the match as it was really cheesy, and besides the first few minutes we don't see alot of the cell, but this was entertaining for what it was. Kane even busts the back of his head open at one point, but it's never acknowledged. Decent match that would have been fine for a normal match, but not for a cell match at all.

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Is that Sheamus/Orton HIAC the match where Sheamus does the back breaker on the steps thatmakes no sense?
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Is that Sheamus/Orton HIAC the match where Sheamus does the back breaker on the steps thatmakes no sense?
Yes. Striker tries to compensate for its lack of sense by saying that "The steps have no give, so all of the pressure goes directly into Orton's back" Even though that makes absolutely no sense.


Hell in a Cell XXII

John Cena vs CM Punk vs Alberto Del Rio vs Jack Swagger vs Dolph Ziggler : Raw Dark Match 2011

This was the only Hell in a Cell match that wasn't aired on television, and was only shown to the live audience. This is just a little 6 minute match here with the heels being in control for essentially the entire match, until the two faces make their inevitable comeback and a finisher fest ensues (which is always fun no matter what). Cena and Punk were already beaten down on Raw, so right from the get go the heels controlled this one. Not much to say but that the heels turned against one another and it led to an exciting finisher-fest finish (try saying that 3 times fast) and an obvious Cena win to send the live crowd home happy. Since this is an actual MATCH, I can pretty much rate it, but not much to see here. Watch if you wanna say you've seen all 25 cell matches. On a side note, both Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger can claim to be former world champions AND combatants in a HIAC (wtf).

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Yes. Striker tries to compensate for its lack of sense by saying that "The steps have no give, so all of the pressure goes directly into Orton's back" Even though that makes absolutely no sense.


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John Cena vs CM Punk vs Alberto Del Rio vs Jack Swagger vs Dolph Ziggler : Raw Dark Match 2011

This was the only Hell in a Cell match that wasn't aired on television, and was only shown to the live audience. This is just a little 6 minute match here with the heels being in control for essentially the entire match, until the two faces make their inevitable comeback and a finisher fest ensues (which is always fun no matter what). Cena and Punk were already beaten down on Raw, so right from the get go the heels controlled this one. Not much to say but that the heels turned against one another and it led to an exciting finisher-fest finish (try saying that 3 times fast) and an obvious Cena win to send the live crowd home happy. Since this is an actual MATCH, I can pretty much rate it, but not much to see here. Watch if you wanna say you've seen all 25 cell matches. On a side note, both Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger can claim to be former world champions AND combatants in a HIAC (wtf).

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Didn't even know there was footage of that match. Must be cool at least seeing Ziggler in a cell.
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Some ratings from my first viewing of MITB 2011:
Smackdown mitb - ****
Raw mitb - *** 3/4
Orton/Christian - *** 1/2
Cena/Punk - **** 1/2.

Great ppv, really enjoyed it and looking forward to watching Summerslam '11 to see the various rematches.

The Ladder Match 2 blu ray arrived today so will be watching that tonight.
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Hell in a Cell XXIII

Randy Orton vs Mark Henry : HIAC 2011

These two didn't have a heated enough feud that it warranted the Cell, but I believe that these two
competitors painted a great story in there. We have Mark Henry, who has just been this unstoppable monster at this point (taking out the likes of Big Show, Kane, The Great Khali, beating down announcers) with all of these years of pent up frustration from not winning the world title, and he
takes the face of Smackdown and just DESTROYS him and takes the title. Now we have Orton locked in a Cell with a monster who will just rip him to shreds once again. However, Henry has been susceptible to the RKO before, and Orton knows that if he hits it it could very well be over. So basically, the match works like this: Orton gets violently destroyed but gets in some offense every now in then in hopes of securing an RKO attempt. I mean, Henry just BRUTALIZES him (showing decent psychology by working the back and softening Orton for the world's strongest slam) all over the cell, using the cell semi effectively, and definitely more than other PG era cell matches (The cell was used for a world's strongest slam reversal as well).

Henry is in the prime of his career here during this monster heel run, and Orton does a wonderful job of selling to us that Henry IS the real deal and that (for lack of a better term) he isn't to be fucked with. The pace here is as good as it can get for two guys like Orton and Henry, but what makes this match so great is the superior storytelling coupled alongside a few FANTASTIC near falls. This match has one of the best near falls of 2011, when Henry kicks out of the RKO, because we've been building up all this time to Orton being able to take Henry out with the RKO, but when Henry kicks out Orton essentially resorts to the last move in his arsenal out of desperation (The Punt). This leads us to the ending, where Henry reverses a punt attempt into a WSM for the victory. This match exceeded my expecations, and although they don't use the cell too much, they still use it a fair bit. This is still the second best match between these guys, but great stuff.

*** 1/4
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Gonna group these last 2 together in fear of triple-posting....

Hell in a Cell XXIV

John Cena vs Alberto Del Rio vs CM Punk : HIAC 2011

So I'm not quite sure why this is in the Cell either, I mean could you imagine if this had to be the fourth and final blowoff match between Punk and Cena to determine who is the best in the world ? Now THAT would have been exciting, but why add Del Rio ? Anyways the word best used to describe this match would be excitement, as the most intruiging part of this match is the fast pace, and how quickly these guys stay executing moves. This was like a 25 minute sprint that just happened to be in the cell, not a whole lot of Cell usage (besides the ending when Cena gets locked out, which is really only psychological use and not physical) here but when they do decide to use the cell it's effective (you can tell that just by looking at CM Punk's back. Whenever you have Cena and Punk in the same ring, something special's bound to happen, and this match is definitely no exception to that, as these guys are golden with the many counters and fast paced action that take place between them, with Del Rio being the foil to all of this.

The most crucial part of this match however, are the amount of near falls and close calls that take
place. All 3 men get their finishers in some way, shape or form, and could have easily won the match. All 3 men do a great job of selling the pinfall and making sure they kick out at just the FINAL split second before the 3 count to add more drama into the match. Punk is the bonafide spot monkey in this match, going through a table on the outside and bouncing around off the cell until is back is legit bleeding. Cena ends up getting locked out, which leads to Punk getting pinned semi-clean (well, completely clean actually) for the second PPV in a row, which kind of made me sick but whatever. his match certainly had it's violence and brutality, but it's true value lies in the workrate that they were able to execute. Still, would have been better off as a hardcore match (as this is HELL in a Cell, not workrate in a Cell), but the quality between these two men is simply to much to ignore, a near classic.

*** 3/4

Hell in a Cell XXV

The Undertaker vs Triple H w/ Special Guest Referee Shawn Michaels : Wrestlemania XXVIII

Ever since 2005 I had been clamoring for an Undertaker vs Triple H HIAC match, and once we reached the PG era, I was upset that I would never get to see my dream match come to fruition. So when this match was announced, I damn near almost lost my mind, and what we got for a match.....Was simply a work of art. This match will go down as the greatest piece of Wrestling storytelling and drama of this decade (and yes I know that it's only 2012), what can possibly top it ? This is the end of a story arc which began at WRESTLEMANIA 24 ! It's INSANE to have a story last that long in the modern WWE. From the entrances to the lowering of the cell, both of these men know they're going into a war.

I like how these two don't lock up, they just start firing away with strikes. That tells me that this isn't a traditional wrestling match. This match is absolutely brutal, as both men take beatings outside on the floor and off the cage. The match gets REALLY intense when a steel chair is incorporated in the match and Triple H begins to just get DESTROYED with it, as Undertaker is determined to avenge his moral loss from last years Mania. But, enough with the play-by-play, let's talk about the brutality. At the end of this match, Taker's back is so messed up from all the chairshots and stiff strikes that he looks like one big sliced up piece of meat. Triple H is slightly cut (not a blade job) which added another dimension to the match.

The bread and butter in this match, however is the storytelling. Shawn Michaels does an amazing job of being the mediator that tries to keep things clean, but can't do it because he is so emotionally invested. This was an absolute WAR, one of the biggest wars in WWE history, which also included a moment where I legitimately believed that the streak was over (SCM into the Pedigree). What can I say about this match that hasn't already been said ? It's the closest thing to a piece of drama that the WWE has produced in a VERY long time. While I might prefer the WM 27 encounter SLIGHTLY, this match had a perfect blend of story and brutality. A must watch for any wrestling fan, and the clear cut MOTN (and honestly, unless there's a ***** match this year, this isn't being topped all year)

**** 3/4

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Thanks K1ngOfK1ngs for the great reviews .
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2011 HIAC should've been Punk vs. Triple H, so that Punk could get his win back. I mean it was right there. RIGHT FUCKING THERE

As for MOTY so far, Brock/Cena easy imo.
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