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Old 05-31-2012, 11:25 AM   #2861 (permalink)
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Hell in a Cell XIX

Degeneration X vs Legacy : HIAC 2009

This whole segment begins when Legacy ambushes DX during their entrance and we get a good brawl between the two teams. Eventually Legacy locks Triple H outside of the cell and we begin this match on a 2 on 1 situation. That's pretty much the story to this one: Shawn Michaels has a bad knee and he's locked in a cell with two hungry, young competitors looking to kill DX and make a statement. We get some brilliant leg work inside the cell by Legacy to Michaels, as Michaels resumes his normal position of bumping all around the cell. Once Triple H comes to and makes his way down to the cell, he realizes that he can't gain entry. I love the drama here, as Legacy is just DISMANTLING Shawn Michaels outside the ring right in front of Triple H, but there's absolutely nothing that he can do about it. Michaels makes enough comeback attempts to keep this one from being 100 percent Legacy on offense, but these comebacks are short lived and I think that's a good idea as I think they should wait for Triple H to get back in this one. Michaels does a great job of selling his injuries and the amount of wear he has taken in this match to the crowd, making Legacy look much more credible and dangerous than they were before. I'll actually go out on a limb and say that HBK has done more in Cody Rhodes's development than many others.

Eventually Triple H leaves, and they continue to beat down Shawn with chairs, even putting him in that Million dollar dream/figure four around the ringpost hybrid that they used at Breaking Point (sick looking move). We sort of know that Triple H is going to come back, but that isn't the point. The point is that it's great storytelling, as we're just waiting for DX to make their big come back, with everything else that happens before in the match being build up to the inevitable climax. Triple H comes back and breaks into the cell, leaving Cody alone in the cell and allowing DX to get their revenge, ending this feud once and for all. This match, while not high on workrate at all, and certainly not brutal for a Hell in a Cell match, tells a fantastic story. The cell, while not used very much as a weapon in the match, is used as a main focal point for the story that these four were trying to tell, and I think it worked. Not a classic by any means as this was essentially a squash one way or another for most of the match, but still a very good match with some good psychology. About as good as the other DX HIAC match.

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Old 05-31-2012, 11:45 AM   #2862 (permalink)
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zep81, it depends on what you want out of your next DVD purchase. Do you want to watch Batista's story and his significant matches or do you want to see a variety of wrestlers in a compilation set like Highest Flyers? For the documentary I'd go with Batista vs. the brief highlights in the other set, but for matches I'd personally go with Highest Flyers set because I have Batista's best matches (minus Cyber Sunday '07) on DVD already.
Thanks for the advice mate, think ill splash out and get both whilst i can

Just realised the Angle VS Undertaker NWO 06 match is on the History of the World Heavyweight Championship DVD set that i have, didn't notice as i havn't got around to watching it yet,
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Just got Backlash 2002 off eBay for $26 and according to the seller's e-mail's it's in brand new condition.


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A strange question for you guys...

I'm after a few more DVDs but only really interested in buying some ppv DVDs with good, loud, hot crowds....

I already own money in the bank 2011 and one night stand 2006

Any suggestions?
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What do people think of the RAW: 15th Anniversary dvd, I may buy it. I have seen lot's of positives about it but it looks more about the moments than actual matches.
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What do people think of the RAW: 15th Anniversary dvd, I may buy it. I have seen lot's of positives about it but it looks more about the moments than actual matches.
It kind of is, but a lot of the moments are really fun to watch. I go back to some segments on that set more than once a year. Not all of the matches are in full (they even clip them while they have commercial breaks), but what you get is good. Hart/1-2-3 Kid is probably the best Raw match ever and it isn't clipped on there.
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I have the Batista set. Surprisingly fun to watch. Awesome documentary with enough information. And some of the matches are really entertaining and all I can say is I get a certain feeling when watching quality wrestling. I got that with this.
We never got enough cuts to Batista looking around in the streets of Detroit.
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A strange question for you guys...

I'm after a few more DVDs but only really interested in buying some ppv DVDs with good, loud, hot crowds....

I already own money in the bank 2011 and one night stand 2006

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I'd say either Backlash or Judgment Day 2000.
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:27 AM   #2869 (permalink)
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Hell in a Cell XX

Randy Orton vs Sheamus

Before I get into the actual match itself with what positive qualities and what negative qualities it has, just look at those two names. Do these two REALLY have a feud so heated that in needs to be in the cell ? That's my biggest criticism with these gimmick PPVs, the stipulation of the match doesn't match up to the feud very well. Blood we can do without, as you can have brutality without blood, but the Hell in a Cell in used to tell a deeper, more intense story, and can you REALLY do that with these two at this point in the feud ? If you rate this as a streetfight I believe it's *** 3/4 easily, as it has some good wrestling, some shades of brutality, sparring but creative use of weapons, some fantastic near falls, and last but certainly not least, good psychology. The first 10 minutes we get some good wrestling exchanges between these two, but we don't go outside and deal with the cell at all, so why even have the cell there in the first place ? It's only used a few times, as even the steel steps are used more as a weapon than the cell (Striker even brings this issue up on commentary). When we move into straight up FIGHT mode where all wrestling is thrown out the window, these two take the steps and do some very creative things with them, and I applaud them for that.

This isn't a steel steps match however, this is a HELL IN A CELL MATCH. I know that this isn't a issue for alot of people, but i feel that it's a detriment to the storytelling, which is the most crucial part of a match. The psychology in this one is rather great, as Sheamus has some dissecting offense to Orton's ribs, and all of Sheamus's offense/counters after Orton's midsection injury is actually TARGETED towards his midsection, and Orton sells it pretty damn good. After hitting a belly-to-belly side suplex Orton looks more hurt then Sheamus, which is the right idea considering his injury. We have two very excellent nearfalls where Orton kicks out of the Brogue kick, and a few moments where Orton could have won that kept this match very exciting to watch. It's a great match, don't get me wrong on that, it's just a bad CELL match, and that's the point. For a cell match, I'd give this **, but everything else in it is so crisp and smooth that I feel I have to make an exception this time.

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You know we say blood isn't absolutely necessary but damn it the color doesn't enhance the brutality and intensity of a match like Hell in a Cell. I think back to the best HIAC/Cage/War Games matches and most of those classic matches had blood in them. It was an extra element for dramatic effect that really works. However, what these bloodless HIAC matches need is a feud between two guys that have a lot of hatred built up and their storytelling should be strong enough to compensate for not having blood, thumbtacks, barbed wire, and bumps off the top of the cell. With these contrived gimmick PPVs every year we are not getting much of either.

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