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Old 05-29-2012, 01:05 PM   #2781 (permalink)
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I actually watched Wrestlemania 23 for the first time in ages the other day. For my money, Taker/Batista is the clear MOTN. ****1/2 for me, which might be too high for some folks but I think its an amazing match between two heavyweights. They just threw haymakers and power moves at each other, such as Batista's powerslam through the announce table which is just great. Loved that the majority of the crowd was solidly behind Undertaker.

Cena/Michaels is good but it just feels like something is missing. Cena's selling isn't the best, and I didn't really feel the chemistry between them. I'd go ***3/4 though, and it's definitely a worthy Wrestlemania main event. Their one-hour match is better and I have that at around ****1/4

Jericho/Mysterio from The Bash is fantastic, and their best match together imo.

Punk/Bryan is an instant classic; better than both Jericho/Punk matches this year which are both awesome.

Punk/Bryan at Over The Limit - ****3/4
Punk/Jericho at Extreme Rules - ****1/4
Punk Jericho at Wrestlemania - ****1/2

And I just got done watching Lesnar/Cena for the second time, and props to Cena for taking such a beating. Some of the stuff dished out from Brock looked legit painful and nasty. ***3/4
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I've got HBK/Cena at ****1/2 but I prefer Bryan/Punk's match.
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Out of:
Best of Saturday Night's Main Event
Starrcade: Essential Colletion
RAW: Best of 15th aniversary

which one should I buy?
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Out of:
Best of Saturday Night's Main Event
Starrcade: Essential Colletion
RAW: Best of 15th aniversary

which one should I buy?
I have recently ordered SNME DVD so cant comment on that, but Raw ans Starrcade collections are very different, Starrcade is all about the matches with a documentary also, whereas Raw has a couple of matches but is all about the best bits of Raw, but both are excellent collections and essential IMO.

Plus if you were a fan of WCW that helps.
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Hell in a Cell VIII

Triple H vs Chris Jericho : Judgment Day 2002

Once again the cell is being used to put an end to a feud, this time to the 2002 feud between Triple H and Chris Jericho, and in many ways putting an end to the face push that HHH received after his comeback from injury. What this match may lack in the drama department (Let's be honest, we all knew that HHH wasn't going to job to Jericho in the cell), it makes up for in absolute brutality and carnage. This was Tim White's last match as a WWE referee, and he went out with a bang, being tossed into the cell multiple times by Jericho and sporting a pretty good bladejob(serves him right for saying "Let's keep it in the ring!" about 80 times during this match). This match has a really slow build before we get to the weapons, but that's okay as it gives us something different instead of just trying to mimic the previous cell matches. They keep away from the cell for a little bit, so when Jericho finally hits the steel mesh and gets his arm busted wide open, we're more satisfied.

After they go through the whole "using the cell as a weapon" phase, this almost turns into a hardcore match inside the cell, with Jericho and HHH using weapons such as a ladder, a chair, and the steps. A painful spot comes when Triple H picks up the steps and THROWS it at Jericho. That spot never ceases to make me cringe. This match is very violent, but it just seems to be missing something (perhaps a face HHH vs a heel Jericho can't tell that effective of a story to most people) that makes the crowd not as into it as most cell matches, but that all changes when Jericho crawls out of the cell door in desperation after HHH hits him with a sledgehammer. I like the psychology here, as Jericho is just leaving the cell on instinct, not realizing what could potentially happen to him. The match is even more brutal on the outside, with a DDT through the announcers table. When these two get to the top of the cell, this ends with a Pedigree on top of the cell. Brutal match, and a near classic, if the crowd was into this, this wouldn't be as forgotten as it is. Underrated.

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Hell in a Cell IX

The Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar : No Mercy 2002

This is a heavily debated match amongst reviewers for a certain reason, but I'll get into that later. I loved the story heading into this match as Brock at this point is an unstoppable monster, but couldn't manage to knock off the Undertaker in a great match at Unforgiven. In retaliation Brock broke the Undertakers hand twice, so this cell match was made. Taker is wearing a cast here and is obviously allowed to use it as a weapon, so that adds an interesting dynamic to the match. When this begins we get a beautiful MMA style exchange between these two, and then Taker just begins HAMMERING (and I mean very very hard) Brock with the cast with some very stiff shots. The facial expressions and body language in this match is just awesome (as well as Heyman's screams. Brock begins to just eye the cast, and starts to just work the hand and arm of Undertaker to perfection, even tying his arm to the cell and nailing the broken hand with a chair several times (btw, Heyman's blade job is INSANE, crazy that it isn't even the biggest bladejob of the night). The intensity is just off the charts here, with Heyman screaming in Undertaker's ear "YOU'RE GONNA DIE". Brock then proceeds to rip the cast off, finally finding an opening to take advantage of.

Now here's where many people find to be the fatal flaw with this match; Undertaker's selling of the
broken hand. Even though his hand has been worked on and broken, Undertaker still uses his hand for strikes and even a chokeslam at one point. People fucking hate this idea, and believe that since Taker's hand is broken, he should act like it. Here's the problem with that argument: this match is so full of intensity and hatred, it's understandable if adrenaline kicks in and a person eventually hits a "threshold" for their pain and has the ability to withstand any further damage to a certain area of the body. Another reason why this criticism sucks..He's the UNDERTAKER! He gets more or less buried alive and set on fire all the time, and I know this is the Biker Undertaker, but it's still the same guy...Anyways as you can tell I have no problem with Taker's selling at all, and I actually believe that it adds to the match instead of taking away from it. This is just turning into an all out war here, with Taker getting nailed with the steps and breaking out one of the absolute SICKEST BLADE JOBS that I have ever seen. I mean, his face is almost like a faucet here.

This is so back and forth, an interesting dynamic that sets it apart from another all time great cell match (the original). Taker just won't give up, broken hand and busted face aside, and I believe that gives us a new dynamic to the story... Even though Undertaker is past the point of feeling pain, Brock is STILL getting the best of him, and that is putting him over than anyone else ever could. We get a last ride and a fucking FANTASTIC tombstone reversal into an F-5 to end this. This match made Brock Lesnar, I don't care what anybody says, after this match Brock Lesnar was considered the top dog in the WWE. This had amazing intensity, fantastic back and forth action, diverse offense and great psychology, not to mention an amazing ending with some great near falls. An all-time classic in every sense of the word, and one of the biggest wars to take place inside the squared circle.

**** 3/4

Opinions on this heavily debated match ? Thoughts on Undertaker's selling and it's effect on the storytelling ?
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Anyone ever buy 2010-2011 WWE PPV DVD Packages? Seemed like an okay deal..
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Hell in a Cell X

Triple H vs Kevin Nash w/ Special Guest Referee Mick Foley : Bad Blood 2003

After these two had some pretty terrible matches at Judgment Day 2003 and Insurrexion 2003, I don't
think anybody was expecting very much from this match. I've read various reviews of this match, some going as far to say that this match was "boring" and giving it one to two stars. I'm sorry, but that is just absurd. On a rewatch, I found that this match is definitely main event worthy and certainly a good to great match. I say this because even with Nash being immobile as he is, and Triple H being at a low point in his career, these two worked at a pretty good pace in here, and delivered in the brutality department. This wasn't slow or dragging at all, and you could tell that these two friends in real life were trying to give each other a match they could both remember. Hunter's bumping in this one is absolutely fantastic, the way he just goes flying into the cell, and the way he takes the backdrop to the floor, he is top notch here. There is a point on the floor where Nash attempts a Jackknife, only for HHH to reverse it by grabbing onto the cage. That's pretty intelligent for a match that some claim to be horrible.

Foley is fantastic here as the special guest referee. There is a subplot in this match between him and HHH that's basically there just to generate more interest in this match (because lets face it, Nash can't really be sold that well as a face in 2003), but it actually turns at quite well as Foley manages to take a few ridiculous bumps to the cell in this one, even doing a bladejob at one point! You can't say that this guy isn't willing to do what it takes to make the fans happy. Anyways, Nash's offense is very vanilla here, but the weapons used in this one actually vary quite a bit. I mean, when's the last time you've seen a wooden crate and a screwdriver used in a WWE match ? HHH even uses a mini hammer to work Nash's leg, and Nash actually does a pretty good job of selling his injury (for Nash anyways). Triple H's facial expression after working Nash's face with the screwdriver is so intense, one of the reasons why Triple H is so awesome in this one. You can say what you want about his work in 2003, but in this one he gave 100 percent effort, thats for sure.

We actually get a VERY close nearfall out of the Jacknife powerbomb that actually led me to believe
that it was over at the time. It was an excellent nearfall, with HHH's timing on the kickout being
amazing. This match will obviously have it's detractors (It's Nash and HHH after all), but at the end
of the day this match should be known as the match where HHH carried Kevin Nash to a great match with
his superb bumping and intensity. Both of these guys brought it here. Not the best cell match by any
means, but a damn good one.

*** 1/2
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I've found that for the HIAC to work, you'd have to be invested in the feud. That's the big reason I dislike the Triple H/Jericho HIAC and Nash/Triple H HIAC. Plenty more too.
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