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Old 05-28-2012, 01:59 PM   #2751 (permalink)
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The Undertaker vs Mankind (Hell in a Cell): King of the Ring 1998

To everybody who claims that this match sucks and that it's comprised of only two spots: FUCK YOU.
I say that for a few key reasons. Yes, this match is known for it's absolute brutality, perhaps the
most brutal match of all time. The bumps in this one are absolutely insane, from Foley's fall from
the top of the cell, to being chokeslammed through the top of the cell and crashing to the canvas below, we see two of the biggest bumps in WWE history. However, what ISN'T mentioned when people talk about this match, are the other examples of brutality in this match, such as Undertaker going headfirst into the cage on a suicide dive, the SICK piledriver to Taker on the chair, and Foley's bumps into the thumbtacks. Absolutely breahtaking brutality here, which is why this match gets alot of detractors.

But here's the thing about all of this brutality that takes place in this match: It actually makes
sense in terms of the psychology and storytelling that is taking place inside the ring. There is a
wonderful story taking place inside this match, as Foley knows Undertaker better than any other
opponent, and he knows that he must cross his limits in order to matchup with the deadman. Foley goes through hell and back (no pun intended), and still manages to mount some offense and even capitalize on some of the Undertaker's mistakes such as attempting old school and attempting a suicide dive. The Undertaker is on a mission as of late, and decides to just keep destroying Foley more and more, until eventually he can't take anymore. The last kickout gasp that Foley has on the eventual pinfall tells me everything about the match; Foley is one tough bastard, and even though Undertaker put him through hell, he's still walking out.

Here's another thing to consider; this match is a HELL IN A CELL. Do you possibly think you're
going to get a Flair-Steamboat mat wrestling classic ? No. What we did get was a match that
lived up to it's name. This match was truly hell in a cell, and when you mix in the gripping
storytelling, insane bumps, and jaw dropping brutality, this is one of the most entertaining
matches of all time, and an all time classic that will stand the test of time.

**** 1/4
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Old 05-28-2012, 02:03 PM   #2752 (permalink)
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I wish I could find my review as to why Team WWE vs. Nexus is so awesome. ****3/4, legit.
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I wish I could find my review as to why Team WWE vs. Nexus is so awesome. ****3/4, legit.
Would be an interesting read if you could.
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Would be an interesting read if you could.
Honestly, the only arguments I ever see against the match (and this isn't saying it's your reasoning) is "OMG SUPER CENA AGAIN, THIS MATCH SUCKED~!!!!" Granted, I wasn't a huge fan of the DDT then Cena winning it, but that doesn't take away from the awesome match they had with near perfect storytelling (second only to Taker/Michaels that year).
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Mysterio/Jericho from THE BASH is a near five star encounter.
Completely agree. One of my favorite matches to watch when I'm bored.

And I'd love to read that review Mystery. I'm a big fan of that match too but I have it at ****1/4. Really good stuff though.
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Mankind vs Kane (Hell in a Cell): Raw 1998

The second of the two short Raw HIAC matches, except this one actually counts as a match. One world I would use to describe this match would be BRUTALITY. It's amazing to think they let Mick Foley take the bumps and shots that he takes in this match, just months after the HIAC match with Undertaker at the KOTR. Once again, Foley shows his worth to the company in an insane brawl that involves him falling off the cell halfways through the announce table, and Foley taking some of the most brutal chairshots I've ever seen from Kane (ala Royal Rumble 1999). Foley again mounts some offense, managing to get some good chairshots and even a thumbtack piledriver in this one, but it just isn't enough as Kane just destroys him with move after move. Kane is about to end this when we get one of the dumbest endings to a match I've ever seen, as Austin interferes and we get a DQ...IN THE CELL...What the fuck? Anyways, this match was short and full of brutality. Foley is amazing.

** 3/4 (For brutality alone)
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Honestly, the only arguments I ever see against the match (and this isn't saying it's your reasoning) is "OMG SUPER CENA AGAIN, THIS MATCH SUCKED~!!!!" Granted, I wasn't a huge fan of the DDT then Cena winning it, but that doesn't take away from the awesome match they had with near perfect storytelling (second only to Taker/Michaels that year).
The star of that match was Daniel Bryan. The crowd was into him that night. Its a 3 and a half for me. The super Cena comeback left a bad taste in the mouth for me. Nexus should have won.
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So I know there's a lot of deals for DVDs cheap overseas of older PPVs, do any Canadians, or anyone for that matter, know of something similar to that in Canada where you can get older wrestling events on DVD for cheap? Stores I've been to either only have the new stuff or nothing at all.
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In general I'd go for a used DVD shop.
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Undertaker vs Big Bossman (Hell in a Cell): Wrestlemania XV

What can I possibly say about what I just witnessed ? There haven't been very many times that I've been SPEECHLESS over how bad and nonsensical a match is, but this is one of them. I might as well take this time to go down a list of reasons why this match sucks. First of all, heel vs heel ? he crowd dosen't know who to cheer here, which makes this a booking disaster from the get go. Secondly, is the Big Bossman honestly the best you can do for Undertaker here ? In this match he is slow, sloppy, and looks like he dosen't know what he is doing. With my respects to the late Ray Traylor, nobody bought that he could beat the Undertaker for a single second, so there was no drama to this match at all. Last booking mistake here is simple: WHY WAS THIS IN THE CELL ? There was no heat here at all for this to be in the cell, although to their credit, they used the cell more than the modern HIAC PPV matches.

Now on to the match itself. It's a mess that takes place on the biggest stage possible, as you can
clearly tell that Taker is frustrated with Bossman's lack of effort. All of Bossmans moves are sloppy, including a horrible looking neckbreaker, but Taker tries his best to make it look somewhat decent. There is one point in the match outside of the ring where Undertaker goes to ram Bossman into the cell, but Bossman just stops and Taker has the most pissed off look in history on his face. Another problem with this match; they spend about 5 of the 9 minutes in this match WRESTLING inside the ring. It actually blows my mind how bad this match is. We even get a cheap blade job by Taker that is so nonsensical that it would make a 60 year old Ric Flair jealous. I would give it a DUD rating, but the fact that they actually USE the cell at some points, and the fact that Undertaker actually does try somewhat makes it atleast, well...Not a DUD. It's a fucking terrible match, and probably the worst Undertaker match that I've ever seen, and definitely the worst cell match I've ever seen.

1/4 *
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