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post #2721 of 20566 (permalink) Old 05-27-2012, 08:38 PM
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Thoughts on Bret Hart? Great storyteller, and was able to do so much with so little (for a guy often called a great technical worker by people who think being technical is doing fancy mat work and having a bazillion moves). Really his "mat work" was as basic as it got, and his moveset was limited, but he executed it perfectly (or excellently, hence the nickname lol) and worked it all into his matches perfectly. Not as high on him now as I was a few years back, but I still consider him one of the all time greats. Has a great catalogue of matches which holds up very well, and while he was never a wizard on the mic, I loved his heel stuff in 97.
I have to consider Hart a great heel on the mic since I've seen numerous people think that his whiny heel character is what Bret Hart is really like.

Agree on the analysis of Hart's ring work. He knows how to tell a story and make every move count. I think it's his match with Owen at Mania where I noticed that every single move he did made perfect sense and that's not the only match that I would make that statement about.
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Re: Official DVD/Match/Show Discussion Thread

Anyone have the entire 2008 PPV reviews?
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Originally Posted by K1ngOfK1ngs View Post

Triple H/CM Punk No DQ: NOC 11 .... Fucking LOVE that match, in my top 10 of 2011.
Thank goodness....I thought I was the only one. Everyone didn't even get the simple reason for R-Truth's interference.

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They better have a fucking ***** match to end with.
Fucking music , dancing , and 360 piledrivers , Maryse sex scene , 450s through tables , shoot star press drop kicks , Rock comes back , Austin comes back

It better be epic
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Punk/HHH NOC match was good, but nothing I'd put in the great category for a PPV main event. The overall match and work was just very "blah" and I didn't feel the level of hate between them in the match as the story pushed out besides the beginning where Punk wasted no time starting the match. The last 5-10 minutes of the match was a clusterfuck, and while it advanced the whole HHH/COO storyline stuff, that whole shit was what left Punk in the dust and put the final nail in the coffin of his summer momentum, which is exactly what shouldn't have happened. Rather than running with Punk and making him the center of that whole storyline, WWE did their typical bs and took 5 steps backwards into making one of their already big guys the center of the big storyline (Cena or HHH at this point in time). Sure Punk was still kind of involved as he teamed with HHH against Awesome Truth, but it didn't feel like he was an important part anymore. It went from Punk's big storyline to HHH (w/ Punk for a little bit) against Awesome Truth.

I think... and I'm not sure, but I think they had plans to make HHH the COO by the end of the year and have something big, but when Punk's shoot caught fire and he became the hottest superstar in the industry for 2 months, they decided to try and use that to fuel HHH's COO run, when really it should've been the other way around.

I don't even have a problem with HHH winning, but it's the fact they shifted all the momentum Punk created from the shoot to Awesome Truth fighting against HHH is what I have a big problem with, and why I don't like the whole clusterfuck ending. I understand what they wanted to accomplish with it and they did accomplish it, but I don't agree with it and there's therefore nothing I like about it.

The brawl and match before that as I said was decent enough, but I wouldn't put it anywhere near one of the best brawls of all time, or one of the best matches of 2011. It's a decent match for me, nothing more. Certainly better than HHH's next two matches (Punk/HHH vs. Awesome Truth and HHH vs. Nash).

I give the match ***.

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What is everyone's favourite match that isn't particularly very well known or spoke about a lot, in the mood to watch some entertaining wrestling.
Edge/Orton Raw after Backlash 07... Fantastic heel vs. heel match, and off the top of my head the best one ever. I give it ****.

Taker vs. Big Show from NWO 03 is also a good match from what I remember. While it's not quite on the level of their matches from 2008, I'd say it was Taker/Big Show's best match until No Mercy 2008 and it was a good one. Nothing great though, but *** for me.

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Decided to start my Hell in a Cell project tonight, I'm gonna post all of these reviews individually, and when it's all over I'll rank all 25 HIAC matches, as well as give my thoughts on the 3 disc HIAC DVD (That review will be up before the final list is up obviously). Is there a more fitting way to start this list than with the match that I've always believed is the greatest of all time ?

Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (Hell in a Cell): IYH: Badd Blood 1997

This match has everything you could ever possibly dream of coming into this. Two all time greats(with the greatest chemistry of all time IMO)going to war inside the very first Hell in a Cell match with a big fight atmosphere. This match essentially has 3 acts; The first act is basically Shawn running away from Taker, as Taker is finally getting his revenge on Shawn at this point. The storytelling is in a whole different world right here, as every move that Taker executes on Shawn means something to the match. In this first act, Shawn is being picked apart by Taker for his past transgressions, and he does a phenominal job bumping around the ring, selling Undertaker as the most dominant force in the wrestling industry. Undertaker's offense here is so methodical, if I could pick one sequence that describes his character perfectly it would be this one, as he is just this unstoppable force that counters everything Shawn throws at him, a perfect job on the offensive side by Taker.

The second act begins when Shawn finally gets some offense on Undertaker, and begins to take over the match. What I said about a sequence defining an individuals character can also be used for HBK in this second act, as he is just scrapping with Undertaker, trying to survive in a fight that he shouldn't have a chance at winning at all (basically, an annoying pest that won't go away). Shawn's offense is great here, and Taker (who isn't really known for his selling) gives the greatest selling performance of his career. The story shifts from Taker destroying Shawn, to Shawn being in desperation mode and fighting for his own survival on instinct rather than skill. Shawn's "plan" it seems, to injure a camera man and plan an escape route from the Undertaker if needed, is excellent and one of the deepest things I've ever seen in a match.

The third act begins after Taker sits up from SCM, and all hell begins to break lose. This third in final act will probably be best known for two things; Shawn Michaels INSANE bumping off of the cell and all around the arena, and the debut of Kane. This act consists of Taker finally getting his payback on Michaels, throwing him all across the cage until the end of the match, where Kane debuts and costs Undertaker the match. Although Undertaker loses the match, it's a fair assumption to say that he ultimately won the war and got his payback on Michaels, who in turn is a bloody heap who can barely crawl in a pool of his own blood to even cover Taker. I'm sitting here now in amazement, as this match gets better with every rewatch. This is THE greatest storytelling to ever take place in a wrestling ring. The brutality is amazing, and Michaels bumping is the greatest I've ever seen. This is without a doubt, the greatest professional wrestling match of all time, and one of my favourite matches ever. This is the only match in history that I believe a five-star rating dosen't do justice.


So..Yeah...I pretty much gave away my number one, but that should have been obvious anyways. I don't think any of these reviews are gonna be this good however, because this might be the easiest review I've ever written. I can't wait to watch the rest of what I believe to be the greatest gimmick match of all time, the Hell in a Cell.

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Ric Flair vs Triple H - Raw 12/31/07
Career vs Royal Rumble Spot

Potentially Flair's last match ever against one of his best friends, Triple H. Knowing Triple H's background and stature, he's one of the few people that you could really see retiring Flair. Having this match in North Carolina was a genius idea and the symbolic idea of Flair's last match being on the last day of the year is really interesting.

The match itself was really fun. Flair pulling out all his moves in the hopes of keeping his career alive in front of his home crowd. Both of these guys know how to really work a match and the emotion to it felt like that of HBK/Flair on a smaller level. The figure four spot had me honestly thinking that Flair had a chance of making Trips tap, considering Trips' respect for Flair. The ending itself was ok but I would've loved to see Flair kick out of the pedigree. Regal's interference made sense though since he was feuding with HHH at the time and it screwed HHH over and kept Flair's job. There were a bunch of endings I could have seen being awesome but it was still a really entertaining match. Nothing like their '05 feud but I liked the emotion behind it. Triple H helping Flair up after the match and embracing was a really nice touch as well.


Going through alot of TV matches for the moment. Tons of stuff I haven't seen in a long time.

Rusev | Sami Zayn | Dean Ambrose | Alberto Del Rio | Jack Swagger
Timothy Thatcher | Chris Hero | Scott Dawson | Dash Wilder | Roderick Strong
Summer Rae | Charlotte | Carmella | Becky Lynch | Paige

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Backlash 2007

Cade/Murdoch vs. Hardyz - ***1/4
MVP vs. Benoit - ***1/4
Melina vs. Mickie - ***
Lashley vs. McMahons/Umaga - **1/4
Undertaker vs. Batista - ****
Cena vs. Michaels vs. Orton vs. Edge - ****1/2

One of the best WWE shows ever, amazing stuff.
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Originally Posted by K1ngOfK1ngs View Post
Triple H/CM Punk No DQ: NOC 11 .... Fucking LOVE that match, in my top 10 of 2011.

Also, Punk's momentum was all gone when he returned in a week following MITB. It was too soon, pretty much took the steam off the angle. After that punk needed HHH's COO character to stay relevant. And HHH's character needed Vince Mcmahon.
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Also, Punk's momentum was all gone when he returned in a week following MITB. It was too soon, pretty much took the steam off the angle. After that punk needed HHH's COO character to stay relevant. And HHH's character needed Vince Mcmahon.
Can't say I'd agree. It was extremely disappointing and was one of the worst PPV main events of the year bar Cena vs Truth and Cena vs Miz. Mediocre Attitude-Era brawling with no character and has an overbooked ending that would make Vince Russo cringe.
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"Attitude-Era brawling with no Character"? Come on it was no classic but it had plenty of character. I guess you wont enjoy the match if you didnt like the finish. Kinda like Booker T-HHH WM 19.
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