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Old 05-24-2012, 09:48 AM   #2631 (permalink)
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what?

He's the best in the world but not in the US? Since when was the US bigger than the world?

Punk isn't even in the top 30 for best wrestlers in the world. Sorry. The guy can work a damn good match, but when you're paired with guys like Bryan, Jericho, Cena, who can't? Punk is sloppy. And lately, the only time he's really impressed me was in the D Bryan encounter.
The irony here is that you're laughing at him and yet you blatantly haven't understood what he was saying. For instance to him, Punk could be number 5 in the world but number 2 in the U.S. It's really not that hard to grasp what he's saying.

As for Punk being the best, an argument could be made that he's been the best in the E as far back as Money in the Bank. He's consistently had good/great/fantastic matches.

EDIT - You could possibly go back even further.

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Old 05-24-2012, 11:51 AM   #2632 (permalink)
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Big sale on WWE SHOP today only. Clash DVD is only $10 and there's tons of stuff 50% off and more.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:53 AM   #2633 (permalink)
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Really looking forward to the ecw blu ray, hopefully the situation with silvervision is resolved soon.
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Money in the bank 2011

1. Smackdown money in the bank ladder match
Awesome match. I think this is better then the RAW MITB that happened later in the ppv. Some great spots in this one, and a great ending as well. I love it that Daniel Bryan won. I remember thinking that he would be the first one to lose the MITB cash in. The Sheamus/Cara powerbomb through the ladder was a sick spot. Other great spots are everyone diving over the top rope, chokeslam on a ladder, and a 450 splash of a ladder that is set up in the corner turnbuckle.
match rating: ***3/4

2. Mark Henry vs Big Show
Not a bad match, but nothing compared to their matches later in the year. Its short, and they keep up a fast pace, so nothing to complain about. Henry injures Big Show's leg with a chair after the match and gives us a nice moment.
match rating: **

3. RAW Money in the bank ladder match
I was not too big of a fan of this one. I felt that it was one of the weaker MITB ladder matches we have had. It's still a very good match. but not as good when you compare it to some other ones. Anyways, Del Rio wins, and the match is very fast paced. Some of the big moments are a huge shooting star press of a big ladder from Even Bourne on the outside. The other spot is when Bourne and Mysterio both do a hurricanrana of the ladder on their opponents.
match rating: ***1/4

4. Randy Orton vs Christian (World Heavyweight Championship)
I will be honest with you guys. I have not seen any of the Christian/Orton matches. This was my first, and holy shit it was awesome. Fast paced match with a lot of hard hitting moves. I heard that this was their weakest match yet, so I am amazed at the thought of how amazing their other matches must be then. The match never slows down, and even the DQ ending doesnt hurt it since we got Christian as our new world heavyweight championship.
match rating: ***1/2

5. John Cena vs CM Punk (WWE Championship)
I loved this match. There are a few noticable botches that kind of bugged me, but the match itself is so awesome, and there is so much emotion with the crowd that you quickly forget about its mistakes. The match is around 35 minutes long, and it never gets boring. The crowd is awesome the entire match. They chant you can't wrestle to Cena, and they go crazy for CM Punk. I mean, holy shit they were loud. The last time a crowd was this loud was during the ECW ONS ppvs, and Wrestlemania 22. The crowd really brings the match up even more.

Other then the crowd, the match is epic. They pull of their usual moves, and add even more moves that I have not seen in the WWE in a long time, like the suplex of the apron on the concrete floor, and the knee drop of the apron on the back of Cena's neck. There are some nice counters, and the use of finishers was spread out nicely. The match really put over CM Punk. He kicked out of two AA's, and got out of two STF holds. Both men played their parts just perfect. They really made 35 minutes go by like it was nothing.
match rating: *****

Overall, this is one of the best non Wrestlemania ppv's ever, and the wet dream of the IWC. You had amazing matches, Punk as WWE champ, Christian as WHC, and you had Del Rio, and Daniel Bryan win the MITB.
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what?

He's the best in the world but not in the US? Since when was the US bigger than the world?

Punk isn't even in the top 30 for best wrestlers in the world. Sorry. The guy can work a damn good match, but when you're paired with guys like Bryan, Jericho, Cena, who can't? Punk is sloppy. And lately, the only time he's really impressed me was in the D Bryan encounter.
Maybe try reading my post again. I said Punk would be in my top 5 in the world right now, and top 2 in the US.

Also thanks to A-DoubleBaby! for pointing that out.

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Ladder Match for the World Heavyweight Championship
Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels
WWE No Mercy 2008


Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels is one of the paramount rivalries of this generation. Every time they faced each other we saw something fresh, innovative and the underlining story only got deeper. In this storied feud dating back to 2003 and restarting in 2008, Jericho put Shawn through absolute hell. For example, smashing Shawn's face through a TV screen (nod to Shawn's Barbershop heel turn), viciously beating him to a bloody pulp at The Great American Bash, and punching Shawn's beautiful wife Rebecca in the mouth leaving her with a fat lip.

However, this match is for the World Heavyweight Championship and the title looked like it was hung higher than ever before and the new silver ladders looked taller than they had ever been at the time. The stakes this time were much higher.

At this point Shawn had already got his revenge on Jericho for the eye injuries and punching Rebecca when he thrashed him at Unforgiven. Physically hurting Jericho again is obviously an added motivation for Shawn but he also wants to crush Jericho’s insecure spirit forever. This ladder match IS about showing no mercy because HBK not only wants to win the World Title again but prove once and for all that Chris Jericho will never be better than Shawn Michaels. For Shawn who said this blood feud will never truly be over, winning this match would be more redemption for his battered body and torn soul.

Jericho’s obsession to eclipse Shawn Michaels was out of control. It was deep rooted back in 2003 when he just wanted to be better than Shawn Michaels but Jericho made it so personal by trying to destroy what Shawn loves most, and that is his family and wrestling. At times it seemed like Jericho wanted to BE Shawn Michaels and he took his frustrations out on the world and his idol for not measuring up. That is why Jericho must defeat and devastate Shawn Michaels.

One of the major criticisms this match received was the chain-wrestling at the beginning. I understand why they chose to chain wrestle at the start of a ladder match because, once again, the core of this rivalry has always been about Jericho trying to prove that he has surpassed Shawn Michaels as a competitor. Michaels being the Show Stopper has always been willing to answer Jericho’s challenge in a wrestling match or in a fight. I do think their actions here are still driven by hatred but like I said before this match isn’t just about physical abuse. It is also about proving once and for all in a match both men have mastered who is the best and who will get the last laugh so to speak.

This match is structured differently from the typical ladder matches that only feature jaw dropping stunts. Don't get me wrong there are some good ones in this match (Lionsault on ladder) but the psychology is more important to the story Michaels and Jericho are telling. They utilize some key callback spots from the start of their feud.

The evil intentions are so focused that it may be more important than the actual execution (and the execution here is excellent). Shawn attacked Jericho’s knee with the intent to immobilize his ability to climb a ladder. Two things I see happening here - First, when Shawn applied the Figure Four leg lock on Jericho to me it was a nod to Ric Flair who HBK retired earlier that year at WM24. Remember it was Jericho that questioned Shawn’s integrity for ending the career of the man he admired that started the feud. Now isn’t it ironic Jericho wanted to destroy and end the career of the man he once admired? It may be hypocritical.

Secondly, in a very smart spot after Jericho escaped the Figure Four he kicked a ladder already placed on the bottom rope in the corner into the injured left eye of Shawn. After that he continued to viciously assault the eye in a ladder sandwich with Shawn’s head right in the middle! After that Jericho continued dissecting Michaels with the ladder and kicks & punches to the eye. Another thing I noticed that may or may not have been intentional storytelling was when Jericho struck Shawn in the ribs with a ladder and The King mentioned he may have a cracked rib. I thought about Shawn's legit rib injury at WrestleMania with Flair and how that was a factor in some of the earlier Jericho/Michaels matches.

The physicality is top notch as we saw Jericho get smacked in the jaw with a ladder which broke one of his teeth! The blood just poured out of his mouth! After that we saw how Shawn's rage overtook him when he furiously pounded Jericho’s entire body repeatedly with a ladder. The spot where they both crashed into the announce table off the ladder is an awesome display of how much they will risk to hurt the other man.

One spot I want to talk about that I wished the commentators would have picked up on is when Shawn hit his top rope elbow drop on a ladder instead of Jericho. What I saw is Shawn still suffering from the effects of his damaged eye so he couldn’t see that Jericho placed the ladder in his way. When Michaels attempted Sweet Chin Music, Jericho again struck him in the face with a ladder. I love how Jericho and Shawn keep reverting back to the eye injury. The biggest spot soon followed...



Watching Jericho descend off a 16 foot ladder from the inside of the ring to the floor outside is one of the damndest things I’ve ever seen in a ladder match! That fall was so dangerous from the position Shawn tipped the ladder over mixed with the sheer height he came crashing down. Jericho could have been seriously injured but being the great athlete and professional that he is everything really was alright. He sold it like near death, though.

The sense of urgency shot way up after that fall. Going into the match anyone could predict HBK wasn’t walking out with the gold but after that fall from Jericho it looked like he could win! If you’ve read my reviews before you know I can get caught up in a match a lot but I was completely immersed in this final stretch! Watching both men trade punches at the top of the ladder right under the World Title gave me the feeling that this battle will indeed be fought to the very end right there. When Jericho's leg got caught in the ladder like it did when he lost at Money in the Bank that year I thought the match was over and Shawn was going to win (live watch) until Lance Cade came out.

I actually liked Cade's interference because it not only helped with the false finish when he stopped Shawn obtaining the redemption he was so close to getting as he touched the belt but it also connects back to another part of the Jericho/Michaels feud which is Michaels' protégés being spiteful towards him. Cade got a kick in the chin for his troubles. In the end Jericho and Shawn gave us a remarkably sensational finish!



When was the last time you truly felt the World Title meant everything to the men fighting for it? Watching this live on PPV I didn’t know which way the belt was going but they made me believe that anything was possible. It was a tug of war for the ages! Eventually in what I think made the finish brilliant was Shawn inadvertently pulling Jericho towards him which resulted in Jericho head-butting Shawn IN THE EYE knocking him off the ladder! It may have been an eye for an eye for Shawn at Unforgiven but so was the case for Jericho here at No Mercy.




Jericho escaped with the gold by the skin of his broken teeth!

I am a HUGE fan of ladder matches and I will tell you this match has the best, most dramatic finish I have ever seen in a ladder match. The match as a whole is one of the best ladder matches in history. It’s probably in the top five singles ladder matches ever. Just incredible work right here from two of the best ever in another chapter in one of the best rivalries in WWE history.
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Loved that match at the time. Think I'll give it a re-watch soon.
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Love the Jericho/HBK ladder match and it main evented a wonderful show.
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Excellent write-up mate, i recently bought the Ladder Match DVD sets and am certainly looking forward to getting to that match, thanks!!
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Jericho/Michaels was an epic feud altogether only made more special by that incredible ladder match. I just re-watched their Judgment Day contest and was once again blown away. The chemistry between the two, their story telling, it all just comes together for a fantastic show stealer.
By far the best feud of...maybe ever in terms of complexity and overall mic and ring work.
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