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Old 03-04-2012, 02:20 PM   #251 (permalink)
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Probably going to watch Wrestlemania XIX tonight. Not the whole show, but the matches that matter, which are basically the final five matches on the card. Haven't seen any of those matches in a couple of years so it should be fun to re-watch them.

I was tempted to rewatch all the Wrestlemania's starting today, but then I realized that I have no desire to watch the first sixteen or so in full. I can't be alone in having this feeling?
I feel the exact same way. Maybe it's because I wasn't watching at the time, but I have no desire to get any of those Manias on DVD, but I have all of them from 17 (even the godawful 27).
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The Trump Plaza Wrestlemania's are truly awful (with the exception of Hogan/Savage at Wrestlemania V). III is fine but I don't enjoy Savage/Steamboat as much as others and outside of that, there is really nothing that stands out outside of Hogan/Andre, which is only really good for historical purposes.

Starting with Wrestlemania 17, all of the Mania's are at least watchable if nothing else. I don't think we've had a truly "bad" Wrestlemania since 16. Even 25 and 27 were better than most of the the crap that was put out from Wrestlemania 1 through 13.
The last few posts prove what I say about pro wrestling on a consistent basis. It's for the most part opinion based and boils down to what entertains you. I have a really hard time finding a great WM top to bottom since WM 20. I think 25 was good but wish Edge had retained the title. There are some good/great/epic matches from 21-28 but WM 3-8 are all really good to great IMHO. The characters and the depth in the rosters they had from like 1987-1993 and in the attitude era is way better than they have had at any point the last 6-7 years. It's not even close. Two different brands was a good idea at first but the last few years outside of 2011 WWE has been pretty watered down. I think 2011 might have been the best year for WWE since 2004.

I think WM 11 was just God awful, outside of the iron man match same can be said for 12, I think 23 outside of the title matches was boring...I think Benoit/MVP had the makings to steal the show if they got more than 9 minutes. I think 24-26 were solid. Last years outside of 2-3 matches was boring. Edge/ADR should have got more time....Cole/Lawler got WAY too much time....Rhodes/Rey and Punk/Orton were ok...but the mainevent was fucking terrible. Taker/HHH should have closed the show.

Thats odd you don't enjoy any of the first 12 Manias. I'm curious how old you are? Not ripping you just making conversation. My guess is late teen/early 20's.
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Thats odd you don't enjoy any of the first 12 Manias. I'm curious how old you are? Not ripping you just making conversation. My guess is late teen/early 20's.
Your estimation is correct regarding my age. My problem with the first twelve Manias is that they're not good top to bottom shows. Hell, every Wrestlemania up to VII are pretty awful outside of the main event. It's probably because I wasn't watching at the time (much less alive) but I have no desire to watch random mid-carders battle it out for no real reason. I prefer the Wrestlemanias from 17 to now because they flow better and every match has a reason to it. Again, it's probably because I wasn't alive at the time to watch but the mid-card matches from Wrestlemania 1-7 seem to just be on the card just to fill up space. Wrestlemania 8 is a pretty darn good show, as is 10 but outside of those Manias, I really don't enjoy a Mania pre 17. 14 is fine as well, I guess.
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Your estimation is correct regarding my age. My problem with the first twelve Manias is that they're not good top to bottom shows. Hell, every Wrestlemania up to VII are pretty awful outside of the main event. It's probably because I wasn't watching at the time (much less alive) but I have no desire to watch random mid-carders battle it out for no real reason. I prefer the Wrestlemanias from 17 to now because they flow better and every match has a reason to it. Again, it's probably because I wasn't alive at the time to watch but the mid-card matches from Wrestlemania 1-7 seem to just be on the card just to fill up space. Wrestlemania 8 is a pretty darn good show, as is 10 but outside of those Manias, I really don't enjoy a Mania pre 17. 14 is fine as well, I guess.
Fair enough. Sounds like Im about 10 years older than you so we grew up in different eras which probably has a lot to do with our likes and dislikes being different.

As far as mid card matches back in the day Vince gave so much TV time to Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Bret Hart, etc that a lot of great characters were wasted. Guys like Piper, DiBiase, Perfect, Rude, Jake Roberts, Davey Boy Smith, even Ricky Steamboat didn't get the runs they deserved to get. Thats just my 2 cents though.

WM 17 might be the best WM card ever top to bottom as far as booking. Rock/Austin was awesome, Benoit V Angle was awesome, Eddie G V Test was awesome, E&C V Dudleys V Hardys was awesome, Shane V Vince was good, the battle royal was fun, Jericho V Regal was good and I might be alone here but I thought Taker V HHH was good.

My only real problem with WM14 is Rock V Shamrock should have got more time. They could of had a classic 15 minute IC title match but didnt for some reason. Taker V Kane was badass. Foley & Funk V NAO was a lot of fun to watch and Austin V HBK was great and may have been one of the best titles matches of all time had HBK not been hurt as they were both in their prime. It was still a 4 star match IMHO. Overall a great Mania.

Agreed 8 and 10 are great. The best roster the WWE ever had was in 1992 IMHO. The ending to 10 is perfect when all the faces are in the ring. Rewatch that and look how pissed Luger is. So awesome but I was a huge Luger hater.
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The last few posts prove what I say about pro wrestling on a consistent basis. It's for the most part opinion based and boils down to what entertains you. I have a really hard time finding a great WM top to bottom since WM 20. I think 25 was good but wish Edge had retained the title. There are some good/great/epic matches from 21-28 but WM 3-8 are all really good to great IMHO. The characters and the depth in the rosters they had from like 1987-1993 and in the attitude era is way better than they have had at any point the last 6-7 years. It's not even close. Two different brands was a good idea at first but the last few years outside of 2011 WWE has been pretty watered down. I think 2011 might have been the best year for WWE since 2004.

I think WM 11 was just God awful, outside of the iron man match same can be said for 12, I think 23 outside of the title matches was boring...I think Benoit/MVP had the makings to steal the show if they got more than 9 minutes. I think 24-26 were solid. Last years outside of 2-3 matches was boring. Edge/ADR should have got more time....Cole/Lawler got WAY too much time....Rhodes/Rey and Punk/Orton were ok...but the mainevent was fucking terrible. Taker/HHH should have closed the show.
As with most things. That's what I like about wrestling actually, hearing things from people reminds you how shockingly similar, and how shockingly different we all are.

Taker/HHH didn't close the show because it would have made no booking sense to have the Rock/Cena finish before the streak match, I think. Cole/Lawler should have had a minute tops I agree, but them's the breaks. I didn't have a problem with Edge and Del Rio opening because the opening match is seen as the second most important on the card, but it definitely should have had more time. That being said it's an all time favourite of mine, and by that I mean top ten contesting for top five. Really love that match.
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Probably going to watch Wrestlemania XIX tonight. Not the whole show, but the matches that matter, which are basically the final five matches on the card. Haven't seen any of those matches in a couple of years so it should be fun to re-watch them.

I was tempted to rewatch all the Wrestlemania's starting today, but then I realized that I have no desire to watch the first sixteen or so in full. I can't be alone in having this feeling?
Neither do I. I've never watched a WM before 14 which was the first one I ever saw. I've only watched a few select matches such as Taker vs Sid which was a beyond terrible decision in retrospect and Austin vs Bret which was great. It's hard for me to really care for or get into the match without knowing the build up and why they're feuding.
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Oh yeah Edge/ADR could was a good one for sure. I just wish it had been 15-20 mins. Heading into Mania last year it was the match I was looking forward to the most outside Taker/Trips.
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Wrestlemania 27 was fine. Edge/ADR, Cody/Mysterio, and Orton/Punk were all good, while HHH/Taker was pretty darn awesome in its own right. Granted Miz/Cena was complete dirt and Lawler/Cole went ten minutes too long, but outside of that, it was a fine show.
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Your estimation is correct regarding my age. My problem with the first twelve Manias is that they're not good top to bottom shows. Hell, every Wrestlemania up to VII are pretty awful outside of the main event. It's probably because I wasn't watching at the time (much less alive) but I have no desire to watch random mid-carders battle it out for no real reason. I prefer the Wrestlemanias from 17 to now because they flow better and every match has a reason to it. Again, it's probably because I wasn't alive at the time to watch but the mid-card matches from Wrestlemania 1-7 seem to just be on the card just to fill up space. Wrestlemania 8 is a pretty darn good show, as is 10 but outside of those Manias, I really don't enjoy a Mania pre 17. 14 is fine as well, I guess.
I get what you're saying and you're entitled to have this opinion and all but seriously? Those 3 things I bolded there sum up WWE perfectly these past few years and not just with Mania but with practically all of their PPV's as of late. Outside of the WWE title match (which sometimes isn't even the case), most of the matches involve random mid-carders battling for no reason, none of the matches have a reason behind them and most of them are just on the card to fill up spaces lol. Starting from Mania 27 at the very very least . I'll give you from Mania X7 up until about 23/24/25. Around there is when WWE very obviously stopped caring about...well...everything really. I guess I just found your statement a bit curious, that's all. Of all the things to say about modern day WWE, those 3 things most certainly don't spring to mind. Quite the opposite in fact.
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