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You're talking about their Loser Leaves WWF match which was Flair's last match in the WWF before he went back to WCW. It aired on 01/18/1993. The match is on the Raw 15th Anniversary DVD (clipped) and Best of Raw '93 & '94 set (in full).


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You're talking about their Loser Leaves WWF match which was Flair's last match in the WWF before he went back to WCW. It aired on 01/18/1993. The match is on the Raw 15th Anniversary DVD (clipped) and Best of Raw '93 & '94 set (in full).
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Anything Goes Iron Man Match for the WWE Championship: Randy Orton vs. John Cena

I loved this match when I watched it live and I love it now. I can understand why it doesn't rank as high as some of their other matches for a lot of people, but I also don't think it deserves any of the scorn that it's earned.

First and foremost, the match is never boring. The situation and story is always changing and escalating, building nicely to the end. I love Cena getting the stf and Orton tapping immediately to save his energy, then catching Cena with an RKO. They had a nice double pin move, then it gets violent. They brawl around the ring, there's an awesome top rope AA, so it makes perfect sense when Legacy interferes. Better to get it out the way early lest it ruin the end, and here it made sense. They get chased off, but Orton has the advantage.

Here's where I think people have a problem. Orton tries to blow up Cena. Literally. This part is so over the top it's ridiclous. I mean, we're supposed to accept that Orton is literally going to try to KILL Cena. It's just too silly. Then what? He blows him up...and how exactly does he pin him? Too stupid.

Then the match goes back on track. Orton tries to avoid Cena to beat the clock, Cena beats the crap out of him, gets an AA off onto a table, evens the odds.

A lof of people have a problem with the ending, but it made sense. Orton just couldn't hold on any longer. Everyone thought he'd hold on and the match would go into sudden death. He didn't. He couldn't. He's a heel, and Cena had just beaten the shit out of him. The suspense was that Cena got the win at the last minute.

There's so much I love about this match. The quick submission, the RKO out of nowhere, the double pin, the top rope AA, the fact that it really looked like anyone's get throughout the entire match. It was truly very boring, and just plain entertaining. I think the pyro spot took a bit for me, it's just too attitude era silly for my taste, but the match bounces back at the end to make this one of my favorites.

I liken this match to big sequel to a great movie. The original may be the actual best movie, but sometimes you get a sequel so big and entertaining, that you find that one more fun than the original, which is still better.

Their SummerSlam match remains their best and one of the best matches of 2007, but this was just fun.


Favorite Matches of All Time

1. Triple-Threat Match for the World Heavyweight Championship: Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit - WrestleMania XX

2. Career Threatening Match: Shawn Michaels vs. Ric Flair - WrestleMania XXIV

3. WWE Championship: John Cena vs. CM Punk - Money in the Bank 2011

4. No Holds Barred Match: The Undertaker vs. Triple H - WrestleMania XXVII

5. WWF Championship: Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior - WrestleMania VI
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Randy Orton vs. Mick Foley- Hardcore/Falls Count Anywhere Match for the Intercontinental Championship
Backlash 2004

This has to be one of the most underrated Hardcore matches of all time and that's not a stretch. Both guys told a great story here with after months of psychological torture from Orton, Foley wanted to outright kill him. Some sick blows with the Barbed Wire Bat and the Barbed Wire Board. The highlight of the match is easily when Foley countered the RKO and slammed Orton on the thumbtacks, Orton looked like he went into shock. Then to follow it up with throwing Orton off of the stage through the tables followed by the elbow drop, they did a fantastic job of making you believe that Foley was going to win the Intercontinental Championship. I haven't seen this match in years but it still holds up to date and goes without saying, made Orton.


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Honestly I fail to see how that street fight is underrated. Pretty much every rating I've seen for it has been around the 4 star mark.

Anyway I got home from the pub about half hour ago and decided to watch a little personal favourite of mine. Chris Benoit vs Kane Badd Blodd 2004. Probably my favourite one on one Kane match ever and is actually one of my favourite Benoit matches aswell(which I think says a lot). I really fucking love this match and I feel it is the perfect example of a match playing off the build up. I'll probably give more detail tomorrow when I've sobred up but for now i'll stick with JUST FUCKIN WATCH IT!!!
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I wouldn't say the Foley/Orton Streetfight is underrated as most everyone that has seen it says its awesome.

I think the better word would be overlooked because it doesn't get talked about as much as you'd think and it was genuinely awesome.


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Finished watching Backlash 2001 for the first time tonight.

Dudley Boyz (w/ Spike) vs. X-Factor - **
Rhyno vs. Raven for the Hardcore Championship - **
William Regal vs. Chris Jericho - **
Chris Benoit vs. Kurt Angle in a 30 minute Ultimate Submission match - ***
Shane McMahon vs. Big Show - ** [Could of sworn I saw this same match/result at Judgment Day 2000]
Matt Hardy vs. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero for the European Championship - **
Two Man Power Trip vs. Brothers of Destruction for the Tag Team, Intercontinental, & WWF Championship - **

Overall: **

WrestleMania X-Seven

Chris Jericho vs. William Regal - **
Tazz & APA vs. RTC - **
Kane vs. Big Show vs. Raven for the Hardcore Championship - **
Eddie Guerrero vs. Test for the Intercontinental Championship - **
Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit - ***
Chyna vs. Ivory for the Women's Championship - *
Shane McMahon vs. Vince McMahon - ***
Edge & Christian vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. The Hardy Boyz for the Tag Team Championships in a TLC match - ***
Gimmick Battle Royal - *
Undertaker vs. Triple H - ***
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock for the WWF Championship - ****

Overall: ***

[Note: One of the all-time memorable WrestleMania's for me because of Austin vs. Rock, one of my all-time favorite wrestling matches. The matches weren't terrible but they weren't deserving of three or more stars compared to the excellent match-ups of Angle vs. Benoit, Rock vs. Austin, Hardyz vs. Dudleyz vs. E&C. Taker and Triple H was very impressive but I was reluctant of giving them *** just because there two other matches in the more recent WrestleMania's were far better than the one that took place here, but to be fair it was a good match.]

In the reviewing mood tonight so why not more.

Money in the Bank 2011

SmackDown! Money in the Bank Ladder Match - ***
Kelly Kelly vs. Brie Bella for the Divas Championship - *
Mark Henry vs. Big Show - **
Raw Money in the Bank Ladder Match - ** 1/2
Christian vs. Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Championship - ***
CM Punk vs. John Cena for the WWE Championship - ****

Overall: ***

[Note: One of the better Pay-Per-View's of the filler 2011 year. Punk vs. Cena was a classic, on the edge of your seat match that brought out the best in both men. I remember people being a bit skeptical of Punk winning just because WWE is known to screw the fans but this one was a great surprise with Punk winning and "walking out" with the title in his hometown.]

Survivor Series 2011

Dolph Ziggler vs. John Morrison - **
Beth Phoenix vs. Eve for the Divas Championship in a Lumberjill match - **
Team Barrett vs. Team Orton in a classic 5 vs. 5 Survivor Series match - **
Big Show vs. Mark Henry for the World Heavyweight Championship - **
CM Punk vs. Alberto Del Rio for the WWE Championship - *** 1/2
The Rock & John Cena vs. Awesome Truth - *** 1/2

Overall: **

[Note: Despite the lack of genuine buildup for Rock/Cena vs. Awesome Truth it was the only match on the card that I was highly anticipating because of Rock finally wrestling again. The match was okay, it was great seeing Rock out there again but the lack of him wrestling and Cena taking a beating for 15 minutes was brutal, especially since two Raw's before Survivor Series Cena beat up Awesome Truth by his damn self. Cena getting his ass beat was dragging on a bit. Rock comes in the final minute with the hot tag and the eventual win exactly how everyone expected this match to be.]

Judgment Day 2000

Rikishi & Too Cool vs. Edge & Christian & Kurt Angle - *** [Excellent opening match.]
Eddie Guerrero vs. Perry Saturn vs. Dean Malenko for the European Championship - *** 1/2
Big Show vs. Shane McMahon in a Falls Count Anywhere match - ** [We'll be seeing this same result in a future PPV ]
Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho for the Intercontinental Championship in a Submission match - *** 1/2
Road Dogg & X-Pac vs. Dudley Boyz in a Tables match - **
The Rock vs. Triple H for the WWF Championship in a 60 minute Ironman Match - ***** 1/2

Overall: **** 1/2

Fully Loaded 2000

Hardy Boyz (w/ Lita) vs. T&A (w/ Trish Stratus) - **
Tazz vs. Al Snow - **
Eddie Guerrero vs. Perry Saturn for the European Championship - **
Edge & Christian vs. APA for the Tag Team Championships - **
Val Venis vs. Rikishi for the Intercontinental Championship in a Steel Cage - ** [Rikishi was damn impressive here.]
Kurt Angle vs. Undertaker - *** 1/2
Triple H vs. Chris Jericho in a Last Man Standing match - ***
The Rock vs. Chris Benoit for the WWF Championship - **** 1/2

Overall - *** 1/2

SummerSlam 2003

La Résistance vs. The Dudley Boyz for the World Tag Team Championships - ** 1/2
Undertaker vs. A-Train - **
Shane McMahon vs. Eric Bischoff - * 1/2 [Love me some Shane but the match was dragged out as long as Coach's random heel turn.]
Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Benoit vs. Rhyno vs. Tajiri for the United States Championship - *** 1/2
Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar for the WWE Championship - ***
Kane vs. Rob Van Dam in a No Holds Barred match - **
Triple H vs. Goldberg vs. Chris Jericho vs. Randy Orton vs. Kevin Nash vs. Shawn Michaels for the World Heavyweight Championship in a Elimination Chamber match - **

Overall: **

[Note: Felt weird typing this today and having the World Heavyweight Championship title being the main event on a PPV knowing the position it's in in today's WWE world, but I guess WWE today feels if the champion isn't John Cena then the title doesn't matter... that's a discussion for another time. Elimination Chamber 2003 really lacked compared to the amazing debut it had in Survivor Series 2002. The ending was such bullshit with the usual Triple H burying everyone with Evolution backing him up. Goldberg absolutely destroying everyone just to have Triple H lying in the corner the whole match and pin him for the win. A heel thing to do non-the-less but it's a bit of a disappointment.]

WrestleMania X8

Rob Van Dam vs. William Regal for the Intercontinental Championship - **
DDP vs. Christian - ** 1/2
Maven vs. Goldust for the Hardcore Championship - DUD
Kane vs. Kurt Angle - **
Undertaker vs. Ric Flair - *** 1/2
Edge vs. Booker T - **
Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Scott Hall - ** 1/2
Billy & Chuck vs. APA vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. The Hardy Boyz for the Tag Team Championships in a Elimination Match - **
The Rock vs. Hollywood Hulk Hogan - ****
Jazz vs. Trish Stratus vs. Lita for the Women's Championship - *
Triple H vs. Chris Jericho for the Undisputed Championship - **

Overall: **

[Note: Backstage politics didn't want Rock vs. Hogan to main event which was awful decision as it was the match everyone was anticipating. Jericho vs. Triple H was okay but it wasn't a solid main event because the whole world knew Triple H was gonna win. It was nice of WWE to put Jericho in the main event of WrestleMania in his home country but Jericho at that time wasn't really ready for the big push, at least in my opinion. It has to be one of the last WrestleMania's where WWE had the whole putting the title match last on the card in place of the big anticipated matches tradition. I mean could you really see WWE putting Jericho vs. Punk last instead of Rock vs. Cena at WrestleMania?... of course not.]

WrestleMania XXVIII

Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan for the World Heavyweight Championship - DUD [Sad, sad match...]
Kane vs. Randy Orton - **
Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes for the Intercontinental Championship - **
Kelly Kelly & Maria Menounos vs. Beth Phoenix & Eve - *
Undertaker vs. Triple H in a Hell in a Cell match - ****
Team Johnny vs. Team Teddy - ** 1/2
CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho for the WWE Championship - ***
The Rock vs. John Cena - *** 1/2

Overall: *** 1/2

[Note: Taker vs. Triple H's classic match, Jericho vs. Punk, and Rock vs. Cena definitely raised the overall score of the PPV.]

WrestleMania XV

Hardcore Holly vs. Billy Gunn vs. Al Snow for the Hardcore Championship - ** 1/2
Owen Hart & Jeff Jarrett vs. D'Lo Brown & Test for the Tag Team Championships - * [Really weird tag teams...]
Butterbean vs. Bart Gunn in a Brawl for All match - DUD [Uh... bathroom break? Boxing match in a Pro-Wrestling event?]
Mankind vs. Big Show - ** 1/2
Road Dogg vs. Ken Shamrock vs. Goldust vs. Val Venis for the Intercontinental Championship - ** 1/2
Sable vs. Tori for the Women's Championship - *
Shane McMahon vs. X-Pac for the European Championship - ** 1/2
Undertaker vs. Big Boss Man in a Hell in a Cell match - ** 1/2
The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin for the WWF Championship - ***

Overall: *

[Note: Lackluster as hell WrestleMania especially during the rise of the Attitude Era. Really weird card with random wrestlers wrestling each other, a pointless Hell in a Cell Undertaker match, Blue Meanie and Ryan Shamrock fighting ringside over Goldust, Triple H joining the Corporation..., "shoot" boxing match in a Pro-Wrestling event. Thank goodness for Rock vs. Austin waking me up from being damn near half asleep watching. The event as a whole hasn't aged well.]

WrestleMania 2000

Big Boss Man and Bull Buchanan vs. Godfather & D'Lo Brown - **
Hardcore Battle Royal for the Hardcore Championship - ** 1/2
T&A vs. Al Snow & Steve Blackman - ** 1/2
Edge & Christian vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. The Hardy Boyz for the Tag Team Championships in a Ladder match - ***
Terri Runnels vs. The Kat - DUD [As if Kelly Kelly vs. The Bella's wasn't horrible enough in today's WWE.]
Too Cool (w/ Chyna) vs. The Radicalz - **
Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle for the Intercontinental & European Championships in a Two-falls match - ***
Rikishi & Kane vs. X-Pac & Road Dogg - ** 1/2
Triple H vs. The Rock vs. Mick Foley vs. The Big Show for the WWF Championship - ***

Overall: **

[Note: Scratched off a half star off the main event due to the stupidity of booking Triple H over The Rock in the height of the Attitude Era and the popularity of The Rock. Stupid enough to book it a fatal four way match in the first place instead of just Rock vs. Triple H. Don't really care about the McMahon's in each corner as much as some others do. It was cool to see Vince come out with Rock but it was obvious he was turning on him because he's always been an evil asshole. Rock got his after the match but the booking decision was dumb as hell, in my opinion.]

Backlash 2000

Edge & Christian vs. X-Pac & Road Dogg for the Tag Team Championships - **
Dean Malenko vs. Scotty 2 Hotty - ** [These two impressed the hell out of me. Unexpected good match.]
Big Boss Man & Bull Buchanan vs. APA - ** 1/2 [Can APA ever win one?]
Crash Holly vs. Matt & Jeff Hardy vs. Hardcore Holly vs. Perry Saturn vs. Tazz for the Hardcore Championship - **
Show-mania vs. Kurt Angle - *
T&A vs. The Dudley Boyz - **
Eddie Guerrero vs. Essa Rios for the European Championship - **
Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho for the Intercontinental Championship - ***
The Rock vs. Triple H - **** 1/2

Overall: **

[Note: Awesome main event with Austin coming back and the crowd exploding. Rock and Austin sharing a beer together after the disastrous WrestleMania 2000 main event booking decision was worth the wait.]

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Wrestlemania XXVIII

Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus

What can I say about this match ? It's literally just a Brogue kick and a win for Sheamus, which REALLY pisses me off because this was the match I was looking the most forward to besides the HIAC match. I would normally give these matches a N/A rating, but FUCK that. Imagine if we had to get the match these two had at Extreme Rules, at Wrestlemania. This show could have been LEGENDARY. Fuck WWE for this.


Kane vs Randy Orton

I was half-pumped for this because I was a huge fan of Kane's work ever since he came back with the mask (especially the matches with Cena), and Randy has been great in the ring over the last few years so I was legitimately excited. What we got was a pretty good match between two popular wrestlers, with some stiff shots and good nearfalls. Orton really hits Kane with some majorly hard shots to the back in this one, and the same goes with Kane, he absolutely DECKS Orton a few times out there.

Loved the first chokeslam near-fall, and I was a huge fan of how Orton couldn't get the RKO no matter how-hard he tried. The story was basically that this time around, Kane is more psycho than Orton, and Orton can't handle it. Simple story I guess, but it makes for a pretty good match. Although I prefer the Extreme Rules match these two had, this was a solid bout.

** 3/4

Cody Rhodes vs Big Show

This match has a basic big man vs small man structure with the whole match consisting of either Show beating on Rhodes, Rhodes running away from Show, or Rhodes working the legs of Show. Very basic here, but we get a nice little match between one of WWE's giant mainstays and one of WWE's biggest up and comers. The leg work by Rhodes was decent, but the match wasn't really long enough for him to really exploit it. Just a short, entertaining match, decent.


Kelly Kelly & Maria Menounos vs. Beth Phoenix & Eve

Just look at those four names, does this LOOK like it's gonna be a good match ? It wasn't, but it was miles ahead of what I thought it was gonna be, which is amazing because at the time Maria was suffering through broken ribs and other various injuries. Kudos to her for going through with her commitments and actually taking a few bumps. Basically, this whole match consists of Maria getting beaten down on, then there's a comeback, and voila. What makes this match not so bad is actually Maria's selling. She HAD to be legitimately hurt, because every move looked like it was about to kill her. When Kelly Kelly is the worst worker in a celebrity match, you know you have a problem.

* 1/2

The Undertaker vs Triple H: Hell in a Cell w/ Ref Shawn Michaels

Ever since 2005 I had been clamoring for an Undertaker vs Triple H HIAC match, and once we reached the PG era, I was upset that I would never get to see my dream match come to fruition. So when this match was announced, I damn near almost lost my mind, and what we got for a match.....Was simply a work of art. This match will go down as the greatest piece of Wrestling storytelling and drama of this decade (and yes I know that it's only 2012), what can possibly top it ? This is the end of a story arc which began at WRESTLEMANIA 24 ! It's INSANE to have a story last that long in the modern WWE. From the entrances to the lowering of the cell, both of these men know they're going into a war.

I like how these two don't lock up, they just start firing away with strikes. That tells me that this isn't a traditional wrestling match. This match is absolutely brutal, as both men take beatings outside on the floor and off the cage. The match gets REALLY intense when a steel chair is incorporated in the match and Triple H begins to just get DESTROYED with it, as Undertaker is determined to avenge his moral loss from last years Mania. But, enough with the play-by-play, let's talk about the brutality. At the end of this match, Taker's back is so messed up from all the chairshots and stiff strikes that he looks like one big sliced up piece of meat. Triple H is slightly cut (not a blade job) which added another dimension to the match.

The bread and butter in this match, however is the storytelling. Shawn Michaels does an amazing job of being the mediator that tries to keep things clean, but can't do it because he is so emotionally invested. This was an absolute WAR, one of the biggest wars in WWE history, which also included a moment where I legitimately believed that the streak was over (SCM into the Pedigree). What can I say about this match that hasn't already been said ? It's the closest thing to a piece of drama that the WWE has produced in a VERY long time. While I might prefer the WM 27 encounter SLIGHTLY, this match had a perfect blend of story and brutality. A must watch for any wrestling fan, and the clear cut MOTN (and honestly, unless there's a ***** match this year, this isn't being topped)

**** 3/4

Team Teddy vs Team Johnny 12 man tag-team match

To say this match is a glorified mess would be an understatement. The action in the ring was quite decent, as some of the performers gave it their all to try and tell a story to the audience (Kofi, Ziggler, Booker are examples), but with so many people involved in a NON elimination tag team match, it is hard to become emotionally invested in any of these personas.This match is a very entertaining watch, because of the actual action that takes place by the likes of Kofi/Ziggler. There are a few decent spots too, such as the triple dive outside of the ring. Not very many wrestlers on each team received a specific amount of attention, and hell, Team Johnny Captain David Otunga wasn't even officially in the match ! Just a breather match to calm the crowd after the HIAC, so quite harmless, but a very MEH match.

** 1/4

CM Punk vs Chris Jericho

When I first watched this match live, I wasn't very impressed with this match at all because I felt that Jericho had little momentum going into this, and that made the match seem a little anti-dramatic for my liking. On a rewatch, however the way that these two wrestlers mix storytelling with exceptional workrate makes this match a classic. Jericho has one of the best heel performances I've seen over the past few years in this one, playing out his strategy against Punk to a tee, while Punk must keep his cool with Jericho or risk losing his title in the process. The way Jericho just wants Punk to go off so he can claim the championship is such a heelish thing to do and I absolutely love it.

The counters/workrate in this match is just insane. Frankensteiner into a walls of Jericho, Walls of Jericho into an anaconda vice, springboard clothesline into a codebreaker, etc, these two gave it their all in the ring, and it really showed up in this one. A few good nearfalls in this one also, but I feel that the live crowd must have underestimated this match while it was taking place. Definitely main-event worthy, story/workrate heavy, the best "WRESTLING" match of the night. A classic in my mind in every sense of the word.

**** 1/4

The Rock vs John Cena

Being a Cena fan, I was excited to see how this match would play out, as Cena has built a reputation of being one of the WWE's best big-match workers. All I have to say about this match is two words: Fuck Rocky. That's not biased either, because I don't even hate The Rock at all, but DAMN did he suck in this match. This is honestly one of the biggest carry jobs that I've ever seen, so for people to say that John sucks in the ring kind of pisses me off now. Rock looked so out of place in the ring (not properly selling, being extremely sloppy, etc) that if he was wrestling ANYBODY besides John Cena, the match would have been a disaster.

That being said, however I think this match is pretty good due to the efforts of Cena. The psychology in this match is average at best, the storytelling is pretty good, the workrate is meh, but what makes this match is obviously the crowd. This wasn't Rock vs Hogan, but the crowd stayed loud all match long until the great climax that we were given. That basically sums up this match in a nutshell to me; bad build up to the climax, but a fantastic climax and a match that kept the crowd crazy the entire time. I had this at **** originally, but on a rewatch I decided to knock it down because of how bad Rock truly was in this. All that being said, a pretty damn good match here, but one of the biggest carry jobs I've ever seen.

*** 1/2


This show gave us two (and to some people, three) instant classics that will be remembered for a very long time, and a pretty good (however underwhelming) main event. If the WWE had given Sheamus and Daniel Bryan 20 minutes, this show could have easily been one of the greatest of all time. However, WWE's shady decision making takes a show that had the potential to be AMAZING, and bumps it down to a show that is GREAT but not an all-time classic. Out of 8 matches, FIVE of them are lower than 3 stars.

It seems to me that this show is really top-heavy. The HIAC, Punk vs Jericho, and Rock-Cena are all classics in their own right that NEED to be seen (Rock vs Cena due to historical purposes and crowd reaction), but everything else is just so bland and not Wrestlemania worthy. Definitely a top-10 mania, but this show is one of the hardest to grade that I've ever seen. Personally, I love this PPV solely for the main 3 matches, and since they combine for about 70 percent of the show (just did the math), this PPV is pretty damn great.


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