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Old 05-16-2012, 09:16 AM   #2431 (permalink)
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“Nature Boy” Ric Flair vs. Barry Windham
NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match
Battle of the Belts II (February 14, 1986)


The match-up between Ric Flair and Barry Windham is a perfect example of a classic showdown between an 80’s style heel and baby-face. It’s a natural story of flamboyance and arrogance along with high success facing the humility and fight of a real “good guy.” Windham is white meat baby face yet he still has that slight edge about him that makes him cool. It’s probably due to his Texas/cowboy roots but this man has something about him that indirectly or not makes you want to cheer for him.

He has great chemistry, timing and poise that connect to the audience so well. Like that fighting stance he does while challenging Flair to come fight him. Windham doesn’t need to pose to the crowd because he already has them going with his big punches to the head of Flair in unison with their cheers. It feels like the crowd is vicariously fighting Flair through Windham and this young challenger is fully focused on winning the gold.

Flair will use every trick in the book to retain his gold and show why is should be considered the greatest World’s Champion of all time. Flair probably does respect his opponents which is why he shook Windham’s hand at the start of the match, which also displays the pride of being in an NWA World Title Match, but Flair still will cheat and play dirty any opportunity he can get because he loves being champion more.

The ropes were Flair’s best friend the entire match it seemed all the way up to the finish. Flair is the master at holding the ropes to gain leverage over an opponent be it in pinning combinations or in submission holds. It’s a play I’ve never seen fail for him that draws tons of heat. After a great catch-as-catch can, chain style start both men took it to the mat where we see Flair channel his amateur skills and wrestle Windham on the mat. Flair is simply a brilliant wrestler on the mat no question about it. I love how he turns pure wrestling yet again into something dirty by grabbing the ropes in an attempt to pin the challenger.

One of my favorite moments is when Flair turned a botch into yet another intricate part of the clash in personality and his willingness to do anything to win. So Flair gets his head and neck caught in the ropes and he sells it right at that moment yelling in agony and holding his neck as he lies in the corner. We then see Windham in an act of being a fair competitor allow Flair to get up but Flair deceives him and takes him down instead!

This in turn leads to Flair dominating and busting Windham open building the heat of the match as Barry looks like a warrior in peril fighting to make his strong comeback. Also, great job on Gordon Solie’s part in describing the potentially lethal effects a move as simple as the sleeper hold could have. Mike Graham is not so bad himself on commentary either putting both men over as true athletes of the sport of professional wrestling.

Windham eventually made his comeback busting Flair opening too and then it’s back and forth to the end from there. The finish is excellent and actually the best way to end the broad way of the evening. Both men fly over the top rope to the concrete floor and battle to a double count-out.

I probably hold this match and their match in January 1987 on the same mantle. Windham is one of the best opponents Flair has ever had. The chemistry Flair has with him is almost as good as with Steamboat and that says a lot about the super talented Barry Windham.


**** 3/4
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:39 AM   #2432 (permalink)
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Love that Flair/Windham match. Second great match of all the times for me. 3rd would be their WWW 87 match .
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:42 AM   #2433 (permalink)
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Love that Flair/Windham match. Second great match of all the times for me. 3rd would be their WWW 87 match .
So, wait. There's actually somebody else who has the Flair/Windham matches rated higher than the Flair/Steamboat matches ?
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:44 AM   #2434 (permalink)
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Yep lol. Flair/Steamboat COTC would be right behind the 2 Flair/Windham matches. Shame the Crockett Cup 87 Windham/Flair match wasn't quite as good as the other 2, would have been awesome for Flair to have 2 ***** trilogies for me .
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So how would you rank the Flair-Steamboat trilogy? I have it like this:

1. Chi Town Rumble: *****
2. Wrestlewar 89: *****
3. COTC: *****

Fuck, just realized that I haven't watched those matches in a long, long time. Off to watch the trilogy and to re-rank these bad boys !
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Reverse the order of yours and you have mine .
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Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat: The Trilogy

Match 1: Chi Town Rumble: February 20th, 1989

We see Flair entering the ring with his manager Hiro Matsuda, amongst a plethora of women who proceed to kiss and give roses to Flair, while Steamboat previously entered with his wife and son. They are really playing up the whole "Womanizer vs Family Man" story here. The match begins and steamboat gets a very nice shoulder block on Flair, which leads us to believe that Steamboat has the strength and speed advantage over the champion. They begin to chop it out here, and MAN are those chops loud. Flair, of course bails because he has no idea what to do with Steamboats physical advantage. We get some beautiful mat wrestling by both men, until at one point Flair has Steamboat backed into a corner and we hear a smattering of "Steamboat sucks!" chants, which cause Steamboat to get EXTRA intense with some crazy chops and a beautiful headscissors takedown. A double chop gets a near pinfall.

This scares Flair, who bails out of the ring again. I love the psychology here, as once Flair realizes that he can be caught at any moment and lose the title, he decides to go all full blown HEEL mode, throwing Steamboat outside of the ring, raking the eyes, and various other Flair heel tactics. Flair takes the advantage until Steamboat counters back, which of course makes the crowd EXPLODE. More beautiful chops occur until Flair comes off the top rope in a crossbody, but Steamboat turns him over for the near three count. Flair locks the figure four out of nowhere, and holds it for quite sometime, but gets caught using the ropes as leverage. I love how that sequence sums up this match in a nutshell. Flair knows he must cheat to beat Steamboat, but he cannot cheat without getting caught, thereby compromising himself in a particular position.

Some absolutely wonderful chops and suplexes by both men here, as the workrate is off the charts. Both men are selling the wear of this match superbly, and wrestling at an ubelieveably fast pace, one that I don't think I've ever seen before. Top rope cross body gets three but the referee is down. Flair gets a rollup for three as well, but there is no referee to count. Steamboat is spent (being in semi-retirement for so long), and misses a top rope dive. I absolutely love this character driven end sequence, as Flair realizes that Steamboat is tired and loads up for the Figure Four. Steamboat counters this into a cradle for the three count and the victory. Wow, even better than I have remembered, this is probably the greatest paced match of all time. The build up paid off, the storytelling and psychology are amazing, and the workrate is some of the greatest of all time. What a match.

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Top 5/10 ppvs from the 2002-2012 decade?
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Top 5/10 ppvs from the 2002-2012 decade?
So many people have asked this lately.

Summerslam 2002
Survivor Series 2002
Vengeance 2003
Vengeance 2005
Backlash 2007
Wrestlemaia 19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 26
No Mercy 2008

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So what exactly is going on with Silvervision? Everyone's orders are getting to them still, right?
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