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Old 05-10-2012, 02:50 PM   #2171 (permalink)
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Both HHH/Flair matches from '05 are in the ****-****1/4 range for me.

Can't say I'm feeling the love for Punk/Jericho from Extreme Rules. It was good but at times it seemed to drag and there was some stuff I just didn't care for at all. Nothing wrong with the action but as a match it didn't come together as well as their Wrestlemania bout. Hell, I think Punk/Henry I and Punk/Bryan I from Raw are better matches and I'd much rather watch them again than the Chicago street fight.
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Old 05-10-2012, 03:00 PM   #2172 (permalink)
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Haven't seen their LMS yet, probably watch that tonight.
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HHH from 2000-2001 PPV bouts I can at least somewhat fairly rate (ones not included I can barely remember at all). I also re-watched a few forgotten but I remember being great like HHH/Benoit NM00 and HHH/Angle RR01. I also re-watched HHH/Austin SS and it went up quite a bit in my book. But here are the total ratings... if anyone cares enough and wants to see how I broke it down, feel free to ask. I just don't see the need in posting every single breakdown every single time:

HHH/Foley RR00- ***** (up from ****3/4)
HHH/Foley NWO00- ****1/4 (Same)
WM16 Fatal Four Way- ***1/2 (Same)
HHH/Rock Backlash 00- ****1/2 (up from ****1/4)
HHH/Rock JD 00- ****1/4 (down from ****1/4)
HHH/Jericho FL00- ****1/2 (Same)
HHH/Angle/Rock SS00- ***1/4 (down from ***1/2)
HHH/Angle Unforgiven 00- *** (don't remember what I had this at before, but I think it was a bit higher)
HHH/Benoit NM00- **** (same)
HHH/Austin SVS00- ***3/4 (up from ***)
Armageddon HIAC- **** (same)
HHH/Angle RR01- ***3/4 (same)
HHH/Austin NWO01- ****1/2 (Up from
HHH/Taker WM17- ****

What I gather from this is HHH's first half of 2000 was incredible, and while the last half of 2000 and 2001 were great, they just aren't at the same level as the first 6-7 months of PPV's for HHH.

Also some other random ratings:

Rock/Cena WM28- ***1/2
Flair/HHH TT05- ***3/4
Flair/HHH SVS05: ***1/4
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Power Trip vs. Jericho/Benoit - ****3/4
Triple H/Benoit vs. Jericho/Rock - ****1/4

From RAW & SD respectively should be added to that list too.
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PowerTrip vs. Benoit and Jericho: ****1/4

Never seen the Jericho/Rock vs. Benoit/HHH match though. I assume it happened on the build up to Fully Loaded?
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Both HHH/Flair matches from '05 are in the ****-****1/4 range for me.

Can't say I'm feeling the love for Punk/Jericho from Extreme Rules. It was good but at times it seemed to drag and there was some stuff I just didn't care for at all. Nothing wrong with the action but as a match it didn't come together as well as their Wrestlemania bout. Hell, I think Punk/Henry I and Punk/Bryan I from Raw are better matches and I'd much rather watch them again than the Chicago street fight.
Absolutely agree with all of this. Just don't see what other people do in the ER match. WM was worlds above it. Also agree on those raw matches being better.
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The GAME vs. KANE in a CHAIN match wasn't too bad from Judgment Day '01. Power Trip vs. Brothers of Destruction at Backlash '01 is good too.
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PowerTrip vs. Benoit and Jericho: ****1/4

Never seen the Jericho/Rock vs. Benoit/HHH match though. I assume it happened on the build up to Fully Loaded?
Around that time yeah, watch it, pretty unheard of around here.

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The GAME vs. KANE in a CHAIN match wasn't too bad from Judgment Day '01. Power Trip vs. Brothers of Destruction at Backlash '01 is good too.
Great matches but the level Trips was one, they're easy to brush aside.

I'm watching Survivor Series 03 throughout now and it's pretty epic, such a great show.
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I am gonna order Evolution of a Predator tomorrow and I would like some quick opinions on it from you guys. Many Thanks.
Matches:
There are a couple of throwaway "because he's a legend" matches on there. vs Hogan at Summerslam, vs Dusty Rhodes are just not worth it, if you're not sentimental about any of the guys. The vs Angle Vengeance match I've seen twice, and it was pretty good iirc. Orton vs Foley is probably the best match on there, my joint favourite Randy Orton match and a definite classic.
I've seen the Wrestlemania XXIV Triple Threat twice too, and for me there's something missing in that match. He's had matches vs Edge in 2004 on RAW and at Vengeance, and I'm pretty sure I've watched them both but I can't even be sure, because I can't tell the difference by memory. I think they are okay.
Orton vs Christian is on there, the first one with the dreaded result. If you're not a particularly big Christian fan, give it a watch because apparently it's great stuff. Not even the best of the series, which says something about that wonderful, brilliant, excellent, great, awesome match series.

The doc:
It's okay. A lot of people praise it for being refreshingly honest (for example, Orton talks candidly about his drug problems, deserting from the marines and the fact that being a wrestler was not his dream growing up) but then they couple that with kayfabe, which is extremely odd. Why film a clip of him being "really angry" that he was eliminated from the chamber by Punk? It was really out of place, and made me wonder what else they were trying to get over on us tbh.
Nevertheless, it's got the standard high-end production that all WWE DVDs are subject to, and that alone would have made it an enjoyable watch. Not just for Orton fans, not just for wrestling fans, but for everyone.
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CM Punk vs. Bryan Danielson w/Ricky Steamboat as Special Guest Referee - ROH Reborn: Stage 1 04/23/2004

There's a lot of animosity here between Punk and special referee Ricky Steamboat. "The Dragon" wants to call a clean wrestling match between two of the best young talents using the canvas in the ring to draw a physical work of art. "The American Dragon" Bryan Danielson wants to oblige and showcase his strong mat wrestling acumen and prove on yet another occasion why his reputation of "Best In The World" stands.

Punk will have none of that. Punk is a so good at working his slimy, antagonist character into almost every second of his performance. Punk embellishes the antagonist role so well with Steamboat and makes the special referee factor important to the match without bringing down the performance of the men actually fighting each other. Punk and Bryan are in a wrestling battle to decide a winner and dueling with that story is Steamboat and Punk in a moral battle of and the corruptible snake (Punk) taking liberties, bending the rules and antagonizing the virtuous legend (Steamboat) who won't screw the rotten bastard but won't take any shit from him either.

Bryan did a great job keeping the wrestling performance in the forefront along with the character performance with some masterfully applied holds that just ripped and stretched Punk. Bryan's European uppercuts and chops were sharp and hard-hitting all night. Both men worked the counters and transitions as smoothly and at a constant pace which kept the energy high for me especially the Cattle Mutilation spot. I gasped at the back suplex counter to the outside of the ring. The concrete bound fall looked so dangerous and painful like a momentum shifting moment in a lengthy match should.

Both Bryan and Punk have the gift of making the simple special and the climactic moment on the top rope where Punk is trying to deliver Pepsi Plunge and Bryan is fighting to hook a superplex is further enhanced by the crowd cheering "YES!" and "NO!" respectively for each man's attempt to hit the game changer of the match. In the end, Bryan pulled off the superplex (YES!) which jarred Punk's entire body which Bryan had already stretched to hell. They worked some more back-and-forth pin-attempt counters in the finishing stretch until Punk got caught and had to tap out. Bryan is the one that ultimately humbled the corruptible snake.

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