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Old 05-08-2012, 02:53 PM   #2131 (permalink)
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I really do. Talk to Headliner for me, will ya?

Glad someone else hates that Cena/Orton match. Though you probably like their 07 (?) SS match, which means you still suck .
I'll put in a word.

And I don't mind the SS '07 one but the rest of that show is so terrible that I refuse to put it in and watch.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:58 PM   #2132 (permalink)
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Well that's kinda ok . But I don't think the match is good at all. Its literally the SAME sequence of moves repeated about 5 or 6 times before they go into a finish. Same reason I don't like Flair/Sting; just the same thing over and over until the time is up.
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I think the reason for this is that when you rewatch these types of matches you lose the shock factor, and suspense. It's alot better when watching live.
I did watch live, but unfortunately I wasn't a smark then. You don't really appreciate that kind of stuff when you aren't a smark.

BTW, what does everyone here base their ratings off of? Excitement factor, technical prowess, pace, flow, spots, storyline influence? I was wondering because yesterday I was watching Hart Foundation/BB + Hart Foundation/Killer Bees from '85 and '86 and found it hard to get into them. Probably because I was rather ill and couldn't focus so I'm gonna give 'em a re-watch, but it's especially hard for me to rate tag matches for one reason or another.
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BTW, what does everyone here base their ratings off of? Excitement factor, technical prowess, pace, flow, spots, storyline influence?
Good wrestling primarily. Not even 'z0mg workrate' because I can barely distinguish it in guys most of the time. But there is this feeling I get when I watch good wrestling, and if it presents itself in a match it usually gets at least 4*s from me, a great match. If it presents itself but only briefly and sporadically, in the 3* range.

Sometimes in matches it feels like they're doing everything right but it still doesn't connect with me. I don't rate those matches. I can only put a bad rating out if I'm able to specify what made it so red reels.

Other points go to excitement and storytelling. There are some certain matches that you know the winner to, but still get completely lost in and can jump at every false finish. Other matches where you don't even need one of those brilliantly made WWE promo packages to know what's going on with the two men, because they make sure they weave the story into the match.

Speaking of red reels, I watched most of John Cena: My Life the other day. And boy, it was red reels. I think they spent a good ten minutes talking about his spinner championships, or something. What brainless fluff.
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I did watch live, but unfortunately I wasn't a smark then. You don't really appreciate that kind of stuff when you aren't a smark.

BTW, what does everyone here base their ratings off of? Excitement factor, technical prowess, pace, flow, spots, storyline influence? I was wondering because yesterday I was watching Hart Foundation/BB + Hart Foundation/Killer Bees from '85 and '86 and found it hard to get into them. Probably because I was rather ill and couldn't focus so I'm gonna give 'em a re-watch, but it's especially hard for me to rate tag matches for one reason or another.
Fair enough. But my point is they are not going to be as thrilling to see on a rewatch and that could impact your ratings.
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I think the storytelling and the pace are two really important factors for me. I find faster matches to be more entertaining generally. And then more or less just how the match is worked and the flow of it. Things like counters and variations of moves and such come into play, not sure if I'd consider that spots.
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Randomly went on Half.com and found a Like New condition copy of SummerSlam 2002 with insert for $5.99

That's too fucking good to pass up.

I also bought Royal Rumble 2012 Blu-ray from Amazon while I was at it.
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Current top how many ever matches I thought were great this year:

1. The Undertaker v Triple H - Wrestlemania XXVIII (****¼)
2. Brock Lesnar v John Cena - Extreme Rules (****¼)
3. Sheamus v Daniel Bryan - Extreme Rules (****)
4. CM Punk v Chris Jericho - Wrestlemania XXVIII (****)
5. Raw Elimination Chamber - Elimination Chamber (***¾)
6. CM Punk v Mark Henry - Raw 4/2/12 (***½)
7. CM Punk v Daniel Bryan - Raw 1/30/12 (***½)
8. CM Punk v Chris Jericho - Extreme Rules (***½)
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Just finished giving Summerslam '09 a full watch.

Ziggler/Mysterio - ***3/4
Swagger/MVP - **1/4
Jerishow/Cryme Tyme - **1/4
Kane/Khali - DUD
DX/Legacy - ****
Regal/Christian - DUD
Cena/Orton - **1/2
Hardy/Punk - ****1/2

Really strong show but fuck I hate that Orton/Cena match.
Love this show. This was my probably my favorite PPV of 2009 (undecided between this and No Way Out). Even stranger that this PPV took place when RAW was just horrible, but PPVs were good.

Ziggler/Mysterio - ***3/4
Swagger/MVP - **1/4
Jerishow/Cryme Tyme - **3/4
Kane/Khali - **1/2
DX/Legacy - ***1/4
Regal/Christian - DUD
Cena/Orton - ***1/2
Hardy/Punk - ****

Mysterio/Ziggler is an amazing opener, Swagger/MVP is surprisingly weak, but may have just been psyched out by the match before, the tag title match is a solid tag match, I really enjoyed Kane/Khali. The sight of two behemoths battling never gets old to me, and they kept the pace nice. DX/Legacy is a good tag match, Regal/Christian obviously isn't a match. Personally, I really enjoyed Cena/Orton.

It was nothing like their 2007/2008 match. It was a solid match, but I loved the lunacy at the end. It worked given McMahon's hatred towards Orton, and I really didn't know when it would end. Good overbooking to me.

Hardy/Punk is just a great main event, a great spotfest, awesome match.

This is a nice deep card, showing off their secondary title division, a couple of tag matches, their monsters, and two very big main events.
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BTW, what does everyone here base their ratings off of? Excitement factor, technical prowess, pace, flow, spots, storyline influence? I was wondering because yesterday I was watching Hart Foundation/BB + Hart Foundation/Killer Bees from '85 and '86 and found it hard to get into them. Probably because I was rather ill and couldn't focus so I'm gonna give 'em a re-watch, but it's especially hard for me to rate tag matches for one reason or another.
I would say for me it goes something like:

1) Workrate (Includes pace, flow, counters, execution of moves, etc.)- **
2) Psychology/Selling (How smart each of the wrestlers fight and how the selling is. Usually it's the heel responsible for psychology and the face responsible for selling, but there are exceptions, like in face vs face matches)- *3/4
3) Storytelling (How do certain moves or sequences play into the story of the match or story of the feud... also includes callback spots)- 3/4*
4) Crowd (How lively or how dead the crowd acts can affect my interest in a match to some degree... though not as much as others I think) 1/2*
5) Level of match (How big the match is or built up)- 1/2*
6) Personal Enjoyment (My complete personal feelings on the match)- 1/2*

Now that totals 6 stars. I leave an extra star to differentiate between the top 5 star matches and the lower tier 5 star matches.

That's pretty much how I'd structure it. So... for example Taker/HBK WM25 vs. their HIAC match:

WM25
Workrate: *3/4
Psychology/Selling: *1/4
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/2*
Level of match: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*
Total: *****

HIAC
Workrate: *1/2
Psychology/Selling: *3/4 (an exception to the face-heel rule I mentioned earlier... it was the opposite)
Storytelling: 3/4*
Crowd: 1/2*
Level of Match:: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*
Total: *****1/2 (Which I put at *****, but it's higher tier compared to their WM25 match)


Although I've never actually this to do star by star in each category and usually just slap a rating on with this in mind, but I figured I've over-complicate things and do this.

As for the WM26 match:

W/R: *3/4
P/S: *1/2
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/4*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/4*

Total: ****3/4 (I just slap ****1/2 on this match usually, but actually using this system it's ****3/4... what do ya know )

I'll actually do Taker's WM14, 17, 18, 21, 23, 24, 27, and 28 for the hell of it... though I do need to re-watch the first three as while I think the crowd was great for each, I honestly can't remember 100%.

WM14 (vs. Kane):

W/R: *
P/S: *1/2
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/4*
LOM: 1/4*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ****

WM17 (vs. HHH)

W/R: *1/2
P/S: *1/4
Storytelling: 1/4*
Crowd: 1/2*
LOM: 1/4*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/4*

Total: ****

WM18 (vs. Flair)

W/R: *1/4
P/S: *
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/4*
LOM: 1/4*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ***3/4

WM21 (vs. Orton)

W/R: *1/2
P/S: *1/4
Storytelling: 1/4*
Crowd: 1/4*
LOM: 1/4*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: **** (down from ****1/4 I'm used to giving it)

WM23 (vs. Batista)

W/R: *3/4
P/S: *
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/2*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ****3/4 (up from ****1/2 I'm used to giving it)

WM24 (vs. Edge)

W/R: *1/2
P/S: *1/4
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/4*
LOM: 1/4*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ****1/4

WM27 (vs. HHH)

W/R: 3/4*
P/S: *1/2
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/2*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 0 (Yeah... don't really like the match at all. The tombstone by HHH to the kickout though I could watch over and over and over again )

Total: ***3/4 (Up from ***1/2 I'm used to giving it)

WM28 (vs. HHH)

W/R: *
P/S: *1/4
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/2*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/4*

Total: ****

This is a bit more interesting than just slapping on a random rating. Actually, may as well make this a super long post and do my top 5 cell matches (well... we'll see if they're still all top 5 after this):

Taker/HBK... see above.

Taker vs. Lesnar NM02:

W/R: *1/2
P/S: *1/4 (Taker's selling of the arm half-way through is actually what stops this from being *3/4... maybe I took off a bit much for it, but it is kinda bleh to me)
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/2*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ****3/4

Taker vs. Edge Summerslam 08:

W/R: *1/4
P/S: *3/4
Storytelling: 1/2*
Crowd: 1/4*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ****3/4

Batista vs. HHH Vengeance 05:

W/R: *1/2
P/S: *1/2
Storytelling: 1/4*
Crowd: 1/4*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ****1/2

Undertaker vs. Batista SS07:

W/R: *1/2
P/S: *1/4
Storytelling: 1/4*
Crowd: 1/2*
LOM: 1/2*
Personal Enjoyment: 1/2*

Total: ****1/2

Also something I thought about was breaking tie breakers. What I'd do is in the case of a tie, look at personal enjoyment and whichever one is higher wins. If that is the same, I go to W/R, then P/S, and so on down the list. So Taker/Lesnar beats Taker/Edge due to W/R, and Batista/HHH beats Taker/Batista due to P/S.

But yeah, gonna do this more with matches as like I said, it makes it more interesting for me. I think it would be interesting to see everyone divide the stars to each category... although putting more weight on one category over others for each individual depending on what's more important to them.
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