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post #2081 of 20560 (permalink) Old 05-07-2012, 12:26 AM
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Sometimes, rivalries become so intense, they cannot be contained within the ring and cannot be contested by the usual rules. For matches that spill outside the ring, there are Falls Count Anywhere Matches. Hosted by the Hardcore Legend, Mick Foley, this collection highlights more than 30 years of lawless bouts from WWE, NWA, WCW, and ECW, and features some of the most brutal in-ring performers of all time, including Sgt. Slaughter, Sting, Macho Man. Randy Savage, the Road Warriors, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Bret 'Hit Man' Hart, Triple H, The Rock, Kane, Big Show, Ric Flair, Randy Orton, John Cena, Shawn Michaels, and more.

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So I finally watched the Jericho/Benoit vs. Austin/Triple H tag match. At least I think it's THAT tag match. The one where Triple H tears his quad but acts like a total badass and keeps going.

It was as awesome as I had hoped for. Within 4 minutes the crowd was at a fever pitch and that was just the opening segment of the match. The isolation on Benoit was amazing and the anticipation that was built up for the Jericho tag was incredible. The crowd was electric the whole time and you knew from the opening bell that it was going to be great.
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Royal Rumble 2005

Edge vs Shawn Michaels

As of right now, this is a dream match to many, many people. I BELIEVE this is the first time that they ever locked up, and to be honest, I never knew what to think of this match. I believe that the two Street fight matches on raw are superior to this match, however I believe that this is a very solid encounter between two great workers. What I loved about this match was the sweet chin music reversal into the electric chair drop, and the few good false finishes it had. The climax of the match was very good and an indication of the great things to come between these two.

What I didn't like about this match was the slow build. It seemed to me that whenever this match began to gain momentum, we inevitably ended up back in a chinlock. I didn't know that Edge magically morphed into Randy Orton overnight? Sometimes a slow build can be awesome, but this match had a build that didn't really pay off. Overall this was a match with a great climax, good false finishes, and an overall good watch, just with a few flaws. Definitely worth a watch, and the absolute right choice for an opener.

*** 1/4

Casket Match: Undertaker vs Heidenreich

After their match at Survivor Series (Which I gave *** 1/4 I do believe) I was expecting a great gimmick match between these two. What we got however wasn't very great, due to one simple fact; Heidenreich fucking sucked in the ring. The fact that Undertaker was able to drag a great match out of him a few months prior is a MIRACLE, and as a matter of fact I believe that Mark Calloway should be given a fucking medal for achieving such a feat. This match was very sloppy and featured pointless run ins by both Gene Snitsky and Kane that made absolutely no sense whatsoever. The story was very cookie cutter (Heidenreich being afraid of caskets) and this match looked like it belonged in the mid 90s.

That being said, this match is a guilty pleasure of mine. These Undertaker casket matches may not be great in terms of star ratings, but if you can say you don't have a blast watching them, I truly do believe you don't love the WWE. Yes, the story was corny, and YES the run ins made no sense, but when Kane popped out of the Casket to help his brother I marked the fuck out. Undertaker was trying his best out there, but Heidenreich simply didn't cooperate. Still, a ton of fun, and I'd definitely watch again for that very reason. Actually DECENT.


WWE Championship: JBL vs The Big Show vs Kurt Angle

This has to be one of the most surprisingly good matches that I've ever seen in my entire life. This match dosen't look good on paper, but what we got in-ring was mostly JBL and Angle, with a little bit of Big Show on the side. The story here is simple: JBL and Angle are pricks, but the Big Show is so unstoppable that they need to band together to take him out. This match is all over the place with its action, as there are people getting put through announce tables, monitor shots, and chairshots that take place amongst all of this anarchy. Coupled with a great story and some good action, the psychology here works very well, as all three competitors sell extremely well.

To see both JBL's and Kurt Angle's entourages interfere made me laugh a little, as there were literally 7 people who interfered in this match, WTF. This is one time that interference actually works to develop the story even further. To make it even better, JBL weasles his way to retaining the title by capitalizing on Show's work. God JBL was so underrated as a worker in that time period. Just an awesome match with an awesome end spot, a near CLASSIC.

*** 3/4

World Title: Triple H vs Randy Orton

This was the 2nd match out of the 7459 matches that these two would have on PPV. Orton explodes right from the beginning with some swift offense, but in true HHH fashion, Trips decides to slow Orton down and work the knee. The psychology in this match is off the charts and Hunter spends a ton of time working the knee of Orton, to which Orton sells EXTREMELY well. The entire match is based on the fact that while Orton may have the energy advantage, HHH has enough brains to outsmart Orton and retain his title. No matter what Orton tries to do, Hunter always has an answer for it.

This continues until Orton hits his head and is somewhat dazed (the commentators say he has a concussion; Kayfabe) to which Triple H begins to take advantage of even more. This match has SO much of a better pace than their future encounters would have. The tradition Ref bump/Sledgehammer/Pedigree ends this match. HHH just makes this match click, period. I'm not just saying that because he's my all-time favorite, his leg work is just out of this world in this match. Orton's selling should also be applauded, a great match with great psychology.

*** 1/2

The Royal Rumble Match

This is one of my all-time favorite Rumbles, and for good reason; It was the first rumble tha I've ever seen. What I love the most about this Royal Rumble match is simple; the best workers in the match (Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit, Edge, Benjamin, Etc), were in the ring/dominated for a VAST majority of the match, while scrubs like Kenzo Suzuki, Muhammad Hassan, and Daniel Puder were given maybe one minute of ring time combined. The beatdown on Puder is quite hilarious, as even Hardcore Holly is able to get a reaction out of the fans because of it. At some points in the match we have a revolving set of two-on-two matches that are just awesome, featuring the likes of HBK vs Jericho and Eddie vs Mysterio at the exact same time.

The technical prowess continues until the young guns (Cena and Batista) enter the equation and begin to dominate. This is still awesome however, as the veterans bump for these two like there's no tomorrow. The amount of individual angles being set up by this one match (HHH vs Batista, MITB, Angle vs Shawn) is actually mindblowing. The final four (Cena, Batista, Rey, Edge) couldn't be any better, as we have Cena vs Batista to finish this match off. I'm sure by now you all know the story about Vince coming out and tearing his ACL, and if you haven't heard the story, youtube Vince Mcmahon Royal Rumble 2005...It's worth a good laugh. Batista throws Cena out to end this awesome Rumble that had it all; Drama, excitement, comedy, and best of all, ACTUALLY GOOD WRESTLING. 2012 could learn something from this.

*** 3/4


Well lets see here, we have a solid opener, a fun casket match, two great championship encounters, and a fantastic Rumble match. What more can you ask for ? Nothing on this card was really CLASSIC material whatsoever, but I was never bored with this PPV and I was constantly entertained by the matches, hilarious backstage segments, etc. The WWE did a great job giving us some fresh faces in the main event, as the rumble match helped catapult many younger superstars to the next level. With NOTHING classic about this PPV, but NOTHING bad about it either, I definitely think you should check this show out sometime as it's a good way to pass away 3 hours, and a solid indication of what to expect from the WWE in the year 2005.

Oh yeah...It was a major improvement from NYR as well...

7.75/10(Nothing classic to take it to 8)

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Degeneration X vs Legacy series:

Regular Tag Match - Summerslam - ****

Great start to their feud and a nice long match. Made Ted/Cody look good with their teamwork and the fact that they were smarter than DX most of the match.

Submissions Count Anywhere - Breaking Point - ****1/2

Holy fuck I love this match. Ted and Cody get their revenge on DX. This brawl goes all over the building and you see more of Ted and Cody's divide and conquer strategy. Plus, making HBK tap out isn't something that just happens everyday. Huge fan of this match.

Hell In A Cell - Hell In A Cell - ***3/4

I really liked this match up until the end. Legacy managed to divide and conquer Trips and HBK and lock Trips out of the cell. Really strong beatdown on HBK in the ring while Trips was locked outside. Really think blood could have added to this match, especially since it was a fairly heated feud and they had a cell to utilize. The disappointment came once Trips got back into the match and it turned into a glorified squash. Not saying that Ted and Cody needed the win (they looked strong in all three showings up until the end of this match) but a different ending would've been nice. Still think this is the best HIAC in the history of the HIAC PPV.

It's a damn shame that they didn't do anything with Legacy after this.

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DX/Legacy series was great. Really put over Ted and Cody as a tag team:

SS- ****
BP- ***3/4
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I guess I am the only one who thought their Summerslam match sucked for the most part.

My ratings.

Summerslam - **3/4
Breaking Point - ***3/4
Hell in a Cell - ***1/4
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I watched the 30 minute Angle/Benoit submission match from Backlash 2001 last night. I recently picked up that PPV after not seeing it for years. That is the only match I have watched thus far. What does everyone think of it? I'd say it's in the 4-4 1/2 star range but as I have said many times I have never tried to rate matches per se.

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D-Generation X vs. Legacy Series:

SummerSlam - ***1/4

Submissions Count Anywhere - Breaking Point - ***1/4

Hell in Cell - Hell in a Cell - ***3/4

This was a nice little series. I never loved the first match, I just think it was a good little tag team match. It was probably one of the better tag team matches in years.

The SCA match definitely had a nice "Empire Strikes Back" vibe to it, with the villains dividing and conquering. It kept a great pace, but it really was just a typical '99-'00 brawl, save for the submissions stipulation. The finish was shocking, though.

I personally really liked the HIAC. I loved how Legacy divided and conquered again, this time using the cell. The loved the drama of beating down Michaels while HHH figured out a way into the cell. I also thought it was awesome how much brawled before the match even started. You can never go wrong with that formula because it guarantees people will be invested in the match.

HHH making the save with the boltcutters, taking out Ted (or was it Cody?), and getting their revenge was great, too. This is a fantastic blow-off.

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Never did think too much to the DX/Legacy feud. Would probably go *** for the first too matches... then not sure for HIAC. Was pretty great how they trapped Shawn in the Cell alone... but once HHH came in to make the save, HBK decided that being destroyed by 2 people inside the cell didn't matter and he'd no sell everything and make a come back too. Didn't sit well with me.
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I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to their Breaking Point match because I didn't really like it that much. To me, it never really got into 2nd gear and it just dragged on and on until it finally ended. I didn't hate the match, but I just didn't like it as much as a lot of other people did. I really liked their SummerSlam and HIAC matches though. I should try to give all 3 of their matches another watch as I haven't seen them in a long time.
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