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Old 05-04-2012, 04:30 PM   #2021 (permalink)
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Surprised no one has done an Austin list yet.

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Old 05-04-2012, 04:32 PM   #2022 (permalink)
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Rock's greatest matches:

Vs Austin WM 19 - ****1/2
Vs Austin WM 17 - ****
Vs Undertaker Vs Angle Vengeance 02 - *****
Vs HHH Backlash 00 - ****1/4
Vs HHH Judgment Day 00 - ****1/2
Vs Undertaker NWO 02 - ****1/4
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Vs Jericho RR 02 - ****
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Rock's Top 5:

1) vs. Austin WM17- *****
2) vs. HHH JD00- ****1/2
3) vs. Jericho NM01- ****1/2
4) vs. Austin WM19- ****1/2
5) vs. Jericho RR02- ****1/4
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But yeah, I was being as objective as possible with that first list, but as Razor pretty much pointed out, there's always going to be some level of subjectivity. That subjectivity that will make you have more HHH matches on the list than me and less Taker matches. I don't honestly think it's possible to be primarily objective, even when you try to be when it comes to something you've invested a lot of time into. I think the best objective list would be to have someone who has never watched or heard of wrestling or any of it's stars, watch each of the best matches of these guys and put a list of their own, with no prior knowledge or even a small bias of someone else being put in their head.
Still reads more like a list of your favorite/greatest Taker matches than classic matches though. There's no way you can have HBK/Taker, Orton/Taker and Show/Taker on the same level because they absolutely aren't. It's a classic match for a reason. Lumping whatever match is your favorite in there shouldn't count because the threshold is and should be that high. It's not impossible if you stop being a mark to put it bluntly lol. ***1/2 matches are not classic matches unless it's a special case like Rock/Hogan where the actual ring work blows but everything else is what makes the match so special. I really don't see how you can put half of the stuff you put on that list. Taker has a shitload of good/great/amazing/unbelievable matches as does HHH, same for Austin, HBK and the list goes on. Still doesn't make them classics though.
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Lesnar is crazy..he could have broke his neck.
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How would you concisely define a classic match? A legendary match, or what?
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Still reads more like a list of your favorite/greatest Taker matches than classic matches though. There's no way you can have HBK/Taker, Orton/Taker and Show/Taker on the same level because they absolutely aren't. It's a classic match for a reason. Lumping whatever match is your favorite in there shouldn't count because the threshold is and should be that high. It's not impossible if you stop being a mark to put it bluntly lol. ***1/2 matches are not classic matches unless it's a special case like Rock/Hogan where the actual ring work blows but everything else is what makes the match so special. I really don't see how you can put half of the stuff you put on that list. Taker has a shitload of good/great/amazing/unbelievable matches as does HHH, same for Austin, HBK and the list goes on. Still doesn't make them classics though.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on most of this talk. At the end of the day it comes down to opinion and how you interpret things. You'll interpret things based on whether you like or dislike someone whether you realize it or not. And ***1/2 matches being classics... well from a personal standpoint it could be if there's something you really enjoyed about the match or things that stick out about it. However I do agree with you when looking at it objectively that unless there's something about a ***1/2 match that makes it a spectacle, it can be considered a classic.

But you basically telling me stuff on my list isn't correct (unless I'm misinterpreting your words) is like me telling you it's a fact Taker/HHH's matches aren't classics. I don't see them as such for a number of objective reasons, but I don't think it's fair to see you putting it on there yourself isn't for objective reasons. If someone wants to put Khali/Show from 2009 (or was it 2008?) as a classic for nothing more than it being the two tallest superstars in wrestling the last 15 years going at it and it being a sight to behold, then who am I to tell them they're wrong? I certainly won't agree with it, but hey, at least he gave a reason.
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It is tough because you have to draw the line between subjectively loving something and objectively putting it in its place amongst others deemed to be of the same calibre. It's hard but as is the case for most people concerning 5* matches, I think the same applies to classics. You just feel it. That's why I'll never agree on something akin to Show/Taker being a classic match. It can't be. That means it joins the ranks of Taker/HBK, Austin/Rock, Flair/Steamboat etc etc. Not a fucking chance lol. A classic match, to me, is the absolute best of the best and it gets that prestige because it personifies and epitomizes why we watch this shit through what happens in the ring alone or the intangibles surrounding the ring work itself such as the story, the spectacle and the likes. Maybe that's just me, I don't know. But I'd like to think that there is a higher standard for most out there than what seems to be the case for that particular list of Taker matches. Sorry Obis lol.

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It doesn't always come down to whether somebody you like is in the match. I don't see why it has to be that way and it certainly isn't for me. I'm not saying I'm immune to overrating those I mark for from time to time but that still doesn't mean I can't be objective. I'm not telling you your list is incorrect, I'm telling you it's wrong. I'm saying that I don't see how half the stuff on there actually belongs there.
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Lesnar is crazy..he could have broke his neck.
So many awesome moments/visuals in that match. That was one of them. Also marked for Lesnar picking the referee up by the belt with one hand.
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Match is legit fucking crazy lol. Still haven't got bored of it and I've watched it a bazillion times.
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