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Taker/Angle is better than 99% of anything Undertaker. Definitely classic.

Taker/Batista series is incredibly solid, but I wouldn't go saying any of it was 'Classic'.

Taker/Edge series was a notch above Taker/Batista. Classic.
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I love Angle/Michaels from WrestleMania 21. My favorite Angle match ever. Incredible match. I wish I still had the motivation to describe the excellence of that match... It really is that good.

And, that's where the feud stopped for me because everything afterwards isn't worthy of being reminded of. Yes.
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On the whole "classic" thing, for me, a 5-star match or a near 5-star match is a classic. The definition. The rest are incredible matches, but not necessarily--classics. There are exceptions, obviously. For example, Rock/Hogan IS a classic; so is Hogan/Andre, personally.
So is Michaels/Flair, complete emotion and storytelling of a career at its finest. "Classic" sometimes goes beyond wrestling holds. Taker/Mankind HIAC is a classic no matter how many times people say it's just a two spot match.
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My Kurt Angle WWE top 5

vs Brock Lesnar Summerslam 2003
vs Chris Benoit Royal Rumble 2003
vs Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania 21
vs Undertaker No Way Out 2006
vs Brock Lesnar Ironman match Smackdown 2003
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I think Undertaker has had more 4-star plus matches than Triple H in the last 5 - 7 years because Hunter slowed down during the same time and Undertaker peaked around that period.

From a general perspective, there are segments of fans who consider the Orton series and Batista series for Undertaker as "classics," but when we talk about the general consensus, people remember those series for the great matches, but not neccesarily in the same breath as Undertaker's classics against Angle, Michaels, and Triple H. In fact, the Hell in a Cell match against Edge is considered a classic by majority of the fans and is the closest that comes to the matches against Angle/Michaels/Hunter. Generally of course. I'm not big on the Orton matches, but I generally adore the Batista matches. As being somebody who didn't think highly of the entire Edge series, I've come to love the main event of WrestleMania XXIV and it's one of the best main events for me.

I think the "classic" matches of Undertaker and Triple H from 2005 are--and I'm only including 5-star and **** 3/4 matches here:

The Undertaker:

- No Way Out 2006 vs. Kurt Angle ~ **** 3/4
- WrestleMania XXV vs. Shawn Michaels ~ **** 3/4
- WrestleMania XXVI vs. Shawn Michaels ~ ***** (Undertaker's best match ever)
- WrestleMania XXVII vs. Triple H ~ *****
- WrestleMania XXVIII vs. Triple H ~ **** 3/4

Triple H:

- Vengeance 2005 vs. Batista ~ **** 3/4
- Taboo Tuesday 2005 vs. Flair ~ **** 3/4 (I LOVE this match!)
- WrestleMania XXVII vs. the Undertaker ~ *****
- WrestleMania XXVIII vs. the Undertaker ~ **** 3/4

Even when you look here, if we erase the year 2005, from 2006 onwards Hunter's only classics are against Undertaker, which obviously indicates a trend for both wrestlers. That doesn't mean Triple H hasn't had some spectacular matches, but it suggests that Undertaker has been spectacularly dominant in this period. While there are four matches against DX in the list, Undertaker has been in a magnificent run since 2006.


@ Clique Yes, those matches... I can't remember all of 'em of course.
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Randy Orton's Top 5?

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Yes Taker kinda sucked in the ring until 2006. He has been great after that, 2007 is his best year imo.
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1. vs. Shawn @ Survivor Series 2007
2. vs. Hunter @ No Mercy 2007
3. vs. Foley @ Backlash 2004

Don't care for the rest! Obviously, the list is without the matches against Christian, which I haven't watched.
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Taker's Classic matches in the 90's:

vs. Mankind (The entire series)
vs. Bret Hart (Summerslam 97 and One Night Only)
vs. Hogan - Survivor series 91 (Classic moment)
vs. Shawn Michaels (The entire series)
vs. Kane - Wrestlemania 14
vs. Stone Cold - Fully loaded '99
vs. The Rock - King of The Ring '99

Taker's Classic matches in the last 12 years:

vs. Triple H - Wrestlemania 17
vs. The Rock vs. Kurt Angle - Vengeance 2002
vs. Jeff Hardy - Raw 2002
vs. Brock Lesnar - No Mercy 2002
vs. Kurt Angle - SmackDown 2003
vs. John Cena - Smackdown 2004
vs. Randy Orton - Wrestlemania 21
vs. Randy Orton - Armageddon 2005
vs. Kurt Angle - NWO 2006
vs. Kurt Angle - Smackdown 2006
vs. Batista - (The entire series)
vs. Edge - Wrestlemania 24
vs. Edge - Summerslam 2008
vs. Big Show - Cyber Sundy 2008
vs. Shawn Michaels - Wrestlemania 25
vs. Shawn Michaels - Wrestlemania 26
vs. Triple H - Wrestlemania 27
vs. Triple H - Wrestlemania 28
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Triple H's 4.5 & higher matches from 2000-2009 (imo)

2000
Cactus Jack Rumble - **** 3/4
Cactus Jack NWO - **** 1/2
Rock Backlash - **** 1/2
Rock Judgment Day - **** 1/2
Jericho Fully Loaded - **** 1/2

2001
Austin NWO - **** 1/2

2002
HBK SS - **** 1/2

2004
Triple Threat WM20 - *****
Triple Threat Backlash - **** 1/2

2005
Batista Vengeance - **** 1/2


Undertaker's 4.5 & higher matches from 2000-2009

2002
Triple Threat Vengeance - **** 1/2
Lesnar No Mercy - **** 3/4

2003
Angle Smackdown - **** 1/2

2006
Angle NWO - **** 3/4

2007
Batista WM23 - **** 1/2

2008
Edge WM24 - **** 1/2
Edge SummerSlam - **** 1/2

2009
HBK WM25 - *****


Then Taker has a bunch of 4 - 4 1/4 star matches with the likes of Orton, Batista, Edge, Big Show, JBL, Flair, and HHH.


HHH with HBK, Benoit, Jeff Hardy, Flair, Orton, Cena and Taker.


Not to forget HBK

2002
HHH SummerSlam - **** 1/2

2003
Jericho WM19 - **** 1/2

2004
Triple Threat WM20 - *****
Triple Threat Backlash 04 - **** 1/2
Benoit Raw (May) - **** 1/2

2005
Angle WM21 - **** 3/4
Shelton Raw (Gold Rush) - **** 1/2


2008
Flair WM24 - **** 1/2
Jericho No Mercy - **** 1/2

2009
Undertaker WM25 - *****

Other 4 - 4 1/4s with Cena, Orton, Batista, HHH, Angle, Edge, Jeff Hardy, and Jericho.

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HHH's classics (Classics for me are generally ****1/2+, though some ****1/4 matches get labeled as classics if something big happen/it had no right being that good for various reasons) (Also only including one on one matches):

2000:
vs. Foley RR00- ****3/4
vs. Rock BL00- ****1/4 (Austin returns puts this as a classic)
vs. Rock JD00- ****1/2
vs. Jericho FL00- ****1/2

2001:

vs. Austin NWO01 ****1/4

2002:

vs. HBK SS02- ****1/2

2003:

vs. HBK December Raw 03- ****1/4

2005:

vs. Batista Vengeance 05- ****1/2
vs. Flair TT05- ****1/4

2008:
vs. Hardy NM08- ****1/4



Undertaker's classics:

1997:
vs. Bret Hart Summerslam- ****1/2 (Old old rating, need to re-watch it, and haven't seen their ONO or have no recollection of it)
vs. HBK BB97- *****

1998:
VS. Mankind (****... this is a classic for obvious reasons. Definitely not it's technicality, and HHH/Foley's was better in that department, but just how epic and remembered the match is, plus the fact it wasn't terrible by any means makes it a classic)

2002:
vs. Angle SD 02- ****1/4 (need to re-watch)
vs. Lesnar NM03- ****3/4

2003:
vs. Angle SD for WWE Title- ****3/4

2005:
vs. Orton WM21- ****1/4
vs. Orton HIAC- ****1/4

2006:
vs. Angle NWO06- ****3/4
vs. Angle SD after NWO- ****1/4

2007:
vs. Batista WM23- ****1/2
vs. Batista Cyber Sunday- ****1/4
vs. Batista HIAC- ****1/4

2008:
vs. Edge WM24- ****1/4
vs. Edge SS08- ****3/4
vs. Big Show CS- ****1/4 (Recently re-watched it and bumped it up for 4 stars... just a fucking awesome match)

2009:
vs. HBK WM25- *****

2010:
vs. HBK WM26- ****1/2

And that's that. HHH in one year has more classics than Taker for me (2000), but overall Taker over his career compared to HHH's over his... no comparison IMO.
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