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Old 05-03-2012, 03:36 PM   #1971 (permalink)
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That NWO match is borderline the full 5, having seen it in years though.

Watched Trips/Michaels/Benoit from Backlash last night, was almost as good as the first.

EDIT: I like reading reviews but I hate play by play reviews. We've all seen the match just rather people talk about their opinions and their version on the perceived story telling and psychology, or lack of maybe.
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Some reytingz from the Edge set:
vs Eddie Guerrero - Smackdown ****1/2
vs Alberto Del Rio - Wrestlemania XXVII: ****
vs Michaels - RAW ***1/2
vs Christian - RAW ****

This was actually the first time I got around to seeing the Toronto match. As much as I loved it, it got me so ticked off that we never got to see a proper "modern day" Edge vs Christian feud. I can tell you all the background segments and promos and other little teasers they've done from Backlash 2009 to the 2010 Draft Lottery to the Smackdown after Wrestlemania even last year, and with all of that done they ended up leaving it too late. Fuuuuu--. You get a tentative idea of what it would have been like with the interviews Edge did post retirement, and apparently Edge would have been written out for a while and then the feud would have resumed to culminate at this year's Wrestlemania. Damn, if only.

Late but, five favourite HHH matches:

1) vs Batista - Vengeance 2005
2) vs Undertaker - Wrestlemania XXVIII
3) vs Cactus Jack - Royal Rumble 2000
4) vs Benoit vs Michaels - Wrestlemania XX
5) vs Jericho Fully Loaded 2000 OR vs Rock vs Angle - Summerslam 2000

I would have liked to do a top 5 promos as well seeing as he's known for being great on the mic and I like promos, but I wouldn't know where to start. Anyone care to fill me in?
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New Year's Revolution 2005

William Regal/Eugene vs Christian/Tyson Tomko

Regal and Eugene defending here. On paper this actually looked pretty solid, given that we had WILLIAM FUCKING REGAL, Nick Dinsmore (before WWE decided to make his moveset consist of nothing but crappy finishers), Christian, and MEH...Tyson Tomko. What we got was no exception, as this match was a more formula based tag match with bits of Regal awesomeness thrown in on the side. Whenever Tomko isn't in the ring this match is actually quite awesome, it's a shame that Dinsmore destroys his knee in this one, practically signaling the end of his little comedy character push he had going.

Oh and I forgot to mention; The crowd is fucking PSYCHED for this event, I mean damn, the reaction for Regal and Eugene is just off the charts. Anyways, solidly decent stuff here, as the tag champs retain the get the crowd absolutely jacked.

** 3/4

Lita vs Trish Stratus

Remember when this feud was more important than anything on Raw besides the World Title picture ? Ahh those were the days, as these two arguably have the greatest in-ring chemistry of all time between two women. This starts off fast and extremely promising, as Lita begins an onslaught of Trish right from the get-go. However, this begins to take a turn for the worst following an outside the ring lou-thesz press, where Lita legitimately fucks up her knee big time. Ouch. Trish works on it a little more to keep the match going, and ends this with a chick kick. I can't really rate this as it really isn't fair to both of these very talented females. Sucks for everyone who was hoping to see another classic.

N/A

Shelton Benjamin vs Maven

So right about now we're in the "Shelton Benjamin has the midas fucking touch" phase of his career as he is just amazing and incapable of having a bad match. Maven was recently given a little credibility, so this match is also quite intriguing. However, WWE decides to fuck over the fans by having Maven come out and taunt the fans for about 10 minutes, and although he's quite entertaining, I want to finally see some wrestling damnit!

This match consists of one move; a rollup. Maven wants a rematch, gets a T-bone suplex, and the match is over again as I'm wondering what exactly is WWE planning to do with all the remaining time on this PPV. Two of the top 3 best potential matches on the card had a combined 3 minutes of actual wrestling. I obviously can't rate this shit

N/A (DUD as a match, MEH as a segment)

Muhammad Hassan vs Jerry Lawler

Gee, I wonder who is going to win this match ? There is just so much drama here that I'm interested in ! This is Hassan's first PPV appearance here, and he wasn't really all that special as some people might claim, but I like seeing Lawler wrestle from time to time so fuck it. This match really could have used some commentary to tell a better story, but Lawler did the best he could to have a match with a very very green Hassan.

very basic story here, as Muhammad Hassan is just a random foreign dick who hates america, although he gets an extraordinary amount of heat (although this isn't even IN America!). What can I say about this, the pace is extremely slow, and the psychology isn't very good, but Lawler makes it atleast somewhat watchable. Obviously Hassan wins. This also got TEN MINUTES, WTF !

* 3/4

Gene Snitsky vs Kane

Okay, what were they smoking here to give Shelton Benjamin a two-move match while giving Gene Snitsky vs Kane 12 minutes? This is actually the co main event here and the problem is simple: Kane isn't the Undertaker, therefore he can't carry these random big men to average-to-great matches. Snitsky however, holds his own for quite a nice portion of the match. He gets some really good offense in, and the psychology isn't all that bad, it's just that I could care less about this match.

Kane seems like he dosen't care at all, which is never a good sign. This match certainly has good intentions, and actually isn't BAD at all, it's just waaaay too long and sloppy for these two, and this match to be treated as a huge grudge match is certainly laughable. Don't avoid, but don't watch again.

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Elimination Chamber (Chris Benoit vs Chris Jericho vs Edge vs Randy Orton vs Batista vs Triple H w/Special Guest Referee Shawn Michaels)

Fifty-nine minutes. That's how long this segment takes, complete with a video package, entrances, and the match itself. About 40 percent of the show is spent on this match, and it is pure fucking AWESOME. Every single second of this segment is absolutely amazing. We start off with Benoit and Jericho, as we get an excellent technical part of the chamber, and once Triple H and Edge join, this match is all about WRESTLING. For the first fifteen minutes of this match, we're building up to the story with excellent technical wrestling, which is what a good match should strive for.

Once Orton and Batista enter the match however, the story-telling begins to unravel and we have ourselves a masterpiece. We're left in anticipation for the showdown between HHH and Batista, as well as the stories between HHH and Orton, Batista and Orton, and Edge/HBK. All of this deep storytelling occurs while Jericho and Benoit are still being technically awesome, and the match is still as violent as ever. It even has some sick spots, specifically Benoit's diving headbutt from the top of the chamber.

Batista's monster eliminations of Jericho and Benoit is how Goldberg's dominance should have been at Summerslam 2003. Edge gets eliminated by HBK, furthering the rivalry between those two, leaving us with a story diverse trio of Batista-Orton-HHH. I was on the edge of my seat for the conclusion of this match, and to see how HHH feared Batista made me realize that there was an eventual match coming between the two. HHH winning with Batista's help furthered the story that Orton is right in saying that Batista is nothing more than HHH's lackey. This is the greatest chamber match of all time, bar none. Dosen't hurt that HHH holding up the belt at the end of the show is my all-time favorite moment in wrestling.

**** 3/4

Thoughts

To say this is a one match show might be the biggest understatement of all time. Take the Elimination Chamber match off of this card, and we're talking about a card that's potentially worse than December to Dismember. The first hour and a half of this is pretty horrible, save for the opener. The crowd is awesome though, and the elimination chamber is one of the best complete segments of the last 10 years, so that kind of makes up for everything else. 50 percent of the show is shit, while the other 50 percent is downright awesome.

6/10 (4 points for the chamber match)
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My favorite part of that match is the staredown between Batista/HHH and JR's commentary: " NOW, NOW, NOW BY GOD!!! DO YOU WANNA BE THE MAN BATISTA?! DO YOU WANT TO LIVE YOUR DREAM?!"
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Wrestlemania XXVI
University of Phoenix Stadium, Glendale, Arizona; March 28, 2010
Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker


This is the fifth and final review of mine regarding the feud between 'The Showstoppa', 'The Main Event', 'Mr Wrestlemania' himself Shawn Michaels and 'The Deadman', 'The Phenom' yada yada yada, The Undertaker. There last epic encounter which came from the UOPS in Glendale Arizona, the big one, it was Shawn Michael's career vs. The Undertaker's streak. Could they top their unbelievable five star match from the previous year? Well I suppose it was a question all of us asked. First of all though we were treated to this beauty of a promo:



Now wasn't that fucking special? Bash the WWE all you want regarding storylines, angles, booking etc. but there is one thing you can't bash and that is their ability to churn out amazing video after video after video. I always bow down to the WWE's promo videos hyping up main events and that is one of the all time greats, just like this feud, fitting.

Michaels is out first with no glitz or glamour unlike last year when he gave us that epic entrance of his. The Undertaker comes up from under the stage, something that looked absolutely awesome. The Undertakers official entrance time was actually 3 minutes and 53 seconds, I was surprised.

The match gets under way with everyone in the crowd pumped. Shawn gives the cut-throat gesture to Taker, avoids a charge and lays in some chops, 'Woooooo'. Taker blocks a charge, whips Shawn in and gets snake eyes. Charging clothesline in the corner, Taker goes "Old School", synonymous to The Undertaker now, using in against Michaels in every match he has faced him. Goozle! Shawn goes to the knee to counter and Taker is limping.

Michaels tries for a cross face but Taker escapes and goes to the arm of Michaels. The Heartbreak Kid escapes that and tries early on for the Sweet Chin Music but Taker avoids it and Shawn Michaels instead goes back to the knee. Taker comes back with uppercuts and lays in right hands, then clotheslines Michaels to the floor. Taker lines up for a dive but Shawn comes under the rope in a hurry and takes out Taker's knee. He tries a figure four but Taker kicks him off, I am loving the fact Michaels is targeting the legs of Taker to try and break him down, brilliant storytelling so far using his experience.

To the outside now and Taker rams HBK back-first into the corner post, probably due to the fact that The Undertaker knows of Michaels' history with his back problems. Taker lines up the leg drop on the apron and he CONNECTS with major air, that was nice, but it hurts the leg of Taker, playing up Michaels' damage from earlier in the match. Back inside and Michaels has gone back to the leg and finally manages to get in the figure four, Ric Flair's old move, remember Shawn Michaels ended Ric Flairs WWE wrestling career in which was also a career's match! With Taker struggling, he finally rolls over to reverse the pressure, causing a quick break.

They exchange shots, The Undertaker wins the exchange but Shawn Michaels kips up straight into a Chokeslam, brilliant sequence! Undertaker come close with the two count. Taker pulls up Shawn and goes for the Tombstone, but to no avail! Michaels picks the ankle! Ankle lock, with the grapevine on the leg, Michaels really trying to weaken those legs of Taker! Taker uses his free leg to kick his way out of the hold, Shawn charges and clothesline him up and over the top rope and to the floor! Shawn Michaels then goes for the moonsault to the outside but he is caught and The Undertaker tombstones him on the floor, similar to the spot in the match up last year but this looked even more brutal.

Taker gets the cover on the inside, but Michaels manages to kick out! Now time for his third finishing manoeuvre, time for Shawn Michaels to take the Last Ride but Michaels counters it into an X-Factor looking move! The Heartbreak Kid goes to the top, we all know what he's looking for here don't we? an elbow to the chest? wrong, he delivers it to the knees! Both men suffered from that. Somehow though, The Undertaker locks in Hells Gate! The crowd are fucking eating this up, awesome entertainment and it gets even better, Michaels counters it with a jackknife pin but Taker kicks out, wow. Sweet Chin Music, Sweet Chin Music, Sweet Chin Music!!.. when he hit that I couldn't help but think this match would be so much better if it was J.R. was commentating like last year, somehow Taker kicked out! Michaels starts tuning up the band again but he misses Taker and turns straight into a Last Ride, what velocity, Shawn Michaels literally kicks out at 2.95 there, can you get any closer!?

The Undertaker throws Michaels to the outside and then starts to dismantle the Spanish announce table. Oh boy. This could suck for Shawn and it is going to suck for the Spanish announcers, luckily for them it's the main event! The Undertaker props Shawn up for the Last Ride but Michaels counters it and Taker turns straight into the Sweet Chin Music leaving Taker laying on the table! Michaels has a plan, I think I know what he has in store, an Elbow Drop from the top rope through the heart of Taker and through the table!? I couldn't of been more wrong, he decides to go for a fucking moonsault through the table, brilliant brilliant spot, just amazing! Taker looks out of it, Michaels rolls him inside. Tunes up the band for about the hundredth time and strikes Taker straight in the chin with the Sweet Chin Music, that has GOT to be it. 1....2....NO!!! Taker has fucking kicked out, the crowd are going nuts and bah gawd I just had a fucking outer body experience!... Thanks for that one J.R.

Both men are running on fumes, fuck, I am even running on fumes. Another Sweet Chin Music incoming but Taker grabs the foot, Chokeslam! Taker uses the ropes to pull himself up, he literally hardly has anything left, grabs Michaels and plants him with a Tombstone, this is it, 1....2.........2.99.. KICK OUT! What the fuck is going on!? How on earth is this even continuing? Cole and Lawler are losing their voices, I don't blame them, I'm surprised half the crowd haven't. Cole reckons we can feel the emotion seeping through the pores of the WWE Universe. Whatever Cole. Where is J.R. when you need him!? .. Uh-oh, the straps are down, The Undertaker cut-throats in a way only Taker can do, he pretty much orders Michaels to stay down. Using Takers body, Shawn somehow pulls himself up and gives Undertaker his version of the cut-throat before releasing a vicious slap on Taker, with eyes bulging and I'm sure a little bit of spittle coming out of his mouth Taker lifts Shawn Michaels up and gives him the damnedest, most devastating Tombstone I have ever seen in my 19 years of watching Professional Wrestling. ! This has got to be it for the career of Shawn Michaels.. 1.......2.........3.

What a match, I am exhausted and so are the crowd. WWE made the right call by having this match headline because obviously nothing else on the card could follow this in any way possible. Amazing match, not their best but that just shows how good of a performance these two men can put on with each other, my hats off to both of you. Thank you Shawn, you truly are Mr. Wrestlemania.

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I give this match FOUR AND 3/4 STARS ****3/4. This was just absolutely brilliant. I gave it a four and a three quarter star rating due to the fact that I didn't think it was AS good as last years or the Badd Blood encounter but boy it was fucking awesome. I loved every second of it like I have enjoyed every second of all of their matches. This match was the most perfect way to end Michaels' career, what a way to bow out. The story-telling throughout the match was the two at their very best.

That is all for my reviews on the feud of Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker. I have enjoyed watching these matches again and giving my two cents on them, I hope you enjoyed reading my reviews, I may even do some more on maybe some other matches or some other feuds, depending on how I feel, Thank you for your time.
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I find it really hard to chosse between the Mania 25 and 26 matches. I love both for different reasons. I thought 25 had a much better atmosphere, and better nearfalls to suck you into the match as well as JR being awesome, but 26 had better storytelling (25's was still great), an amazing sell job from Taker and that awesome ending. I absolutely love both matches, but for some reason I can't go the full 5 for either, even though I could watch them and love them at any time.

Also, on the subject of Punk's reign, I think it's been awesome match quality wise. Punk is probably my WOTY as far as North America goes by far at this point. I can't remember a match he's had since being champ that wasn't good. All the Ziggler matches, Del Rio, Bryan, Henry and Jericho matches have all been very good - great. Punk is definitely the second top guy on the full time roster behind Cena which is awesome, and honestly it's great to see WWE have this much faith in him to give him this long title reign and come off as the second guy. As a long time Punk fan it's awesome to see even if he isn't the top top guy, but he's closer to that mantle than I ever thought he would be so it's all good for me. I definitely think the WWE belt needed a long reign to bring some kind of prestige back to it, and I definitely think Punk is the guy to do that whilst always delivering in the ring.

Saying all that, his feuds have been lackluster apart from most of the Jericho one and his mini feud with Henry. I'm hoping him and Bryan can have a good feud if creative don't turn it into something awful involving meat and alcohol.

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Punk has certainly been the most legitimate champion the WWE has had in a while, and as a long time Punk fan I'm very happy to see that and hope the reign continues much, much longer. I'd put him as Wrestler of the Year as well, although I do not watch any other wrestling other than WWE anymore. My interest for every other promotion has vanished completely.

Some starz for Punk's title reign.

Survivor Series '11: Punk/Del Rio - ****
RAW 11/21: Punk/Ziggler - ****
TLC '11: Punk/Del Rio/Miz - ****1/4
RAW 1/30: Punk/Bryan - ***1/2
Smackdown 2/21: Punk/Bryan - ***3/4
Royal Rumble '12: Punk/Ziggler - ***1/2
Wrestlemania XXVIII: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4
RAW 4/2/12: Punk/Henry - ****
RAW 4/16/12: Punk/Henry - ***3/4
Extreme Rules '12: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4

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Punk has certainly been the most legitimate champion the WWE has had in a while, and as a long time Punk fan I'm very happy to see that and hope the reign continues much, much longer. I'd put him as Wrestler of the Year as well, although I do not watch any other wrestling other than WWE anymore. My interest for every other promotion has vanished completely.

Some starz for Punk's title reign.

Survivor Series '11: Punk/Del Rio - ****
RAW 11/21: Punk/Ziggler - ****
TLC '11: Punk/Del Rio/Miz - ****1/4
RAW 1/30: Punk/Bryan - ***1/2
Smackdown 2/21: Punk/Bryan - ***3/4
Royal Rumble '12: Punk/Ziggler - ***1/2
Wrestlemania XXVIII: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4
RAW 4/2/12: Punk/Henry - ****
RAW 4/16/12: Punk/Henry - ***3/4
Extreme Rules '12: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4

Bah God.
Yeah, Punk has had a kick ass reign, and I'd agree with Wrestler of the Year as well.

Here's where I put those matches for RATINGZ!

Survivor Series '11: Punk/Del Rio - ***3/4
RAW 11/21: Punk/Ziggler - ****
TLC '11: Punk/Del Rio/Miz - ***3/4
RAW 1/30: Punk/Bryan - ***1/4
Smackdown 2/21: Punk/Bryan - ***3/4
Royal Rumble '12: Punk/Ziggler - **** (their Raw match from November was better though)
Wrestlemania XXVIII: Punk/Jericho - ****
RAW 4/2/12: Punk/Henry - ***3/4
RAW 4/16/12: Punk/Henry - ***1/4
Extreme Rules '12: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4

While I'm not quite as high on some as Wrestlingfan, that's still an impressive resume of matches in a 6 month time span. 4 4 star plus matches, 4 matches close to 4 stars, and a couple of them being TV gems. As for the Raw Punk/Bryan match, I honestly need to re-watch as I don't remember it that well, and Punk/Henry street fight was good, but not close to their match after Mania. And it looks like if given enough time at OTL with Bryan, he'll be adding another ****+ match to the list. We'll just have to wait and see. I personally can't wait. I'm actually happy just for that that OTL is only a couple weeks away.... though that doesn't give them a lot of time to put together a great storyline.

But eh, probably wouldn't have been given anything good to work with anyway, so them being given a quick feud into OTL is perfect.
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Punk has certainly been the most legitimate champion the WWE has had in a while, and as a long time Punk fan I'm very happy to see that and hope the reign continues much, much longer. I'd put him as Wrestler of the Year as well, although I do not watch any other wrestling other than WWE anymore. My interest for every other promotion has vanished completely.

Some starz for Punk's title reign.

Survivor Series '11: Punk/Del Rio - ****
RAW 11/21: Punk/Ziggler - ****
TLC '11: Punk/Del Rio/Miz - ****1/4
RAW 1/30: Punk/Bryan - ***1/2
Smackdown 2/21: Punk/Bryan - ***3/4
Royal Rumble '12: Punk/Ziggler - ***1/2
Wrestlemania XXVIII: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4
RAW 4/2/12: Punk/Henry - ****
RAW 4/16/12: Punk/Henry - ***3/4
Extreme Rules '12: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4

Bah God.
I think his run as Champion reminds me of the first few times Bret Hart win the Championship where he was putting the it on the line a lot & more often then not you where going to get an enjoyable match every time he wrestled.
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Yeah, Punk has had a kick ass reign, and I'd agree with Wrestler of the Year as well.

Here's where I put those matches for RATINGZ!

Survivor Series '11: Punk/Del Rio - ***3/4
RAW 11/21: Punk/Ziggler - ****
TLC '11: Punk/Del Rio/Miz - ***3/4
RAW 1/30: Punk/Bryan - ***1/4
Smackdown 2/21: Punk/Bryan - ***3/4
Royal Rumble '12: Punk/Ziggler - **** (their Raw match from November was better though)
Wrestlemania XXVIII: Punk/Jericho - ****
RAW 4/2/12: Punk/Henry - ***3/4
RAW 4/16/12: Punk/Henry - ***1/4
Extreme Rules '12: Punk/Jericho - ****1/4

While I'm not quite as high on some as Wrestlingfan, that's still an impressive resume of matches in a 6 month time span. 4 4 star plus matches, 4 matches close to 4 stars, and a couple of them being TV gems. As for the Raw Punk/Bryan match, I honestly need to re-watch as I don't remember it that well, and Punk/Henry street fight was good, but not close to their match after Mania. And it looks like if given enough time at OTL with Bryan, he'll be adding another ****+ match to the list. We'll just have to wait and see. I personally can't wait. I'm actually happy just for that that OTL is only a couple weeks away.... though that doesn't give them a lot of time to put together a great storyline.

But eh, probably wouldn't have been given anything good to work with anyway, so them being given a quick feud into OTL is perfect.
I agree with you, I don't want them to put too much of a story in the Bryan/Punk angle. I'm not expecting the Bryan feud to go past OTL, and frankly I'm okay with that for now. Maybe until June's PPV, is as far as I see it going.

I may have been generous towards the two Henry/Punk matches, as I've only watched the second once and the first twice. But I feel both men played the David/Goliath part to perfection. And the crowd for both of these matches added such a great element to them. I fucking love the London crowds. I too think the Henry/Punk match from 4/2 is better than their London street fight, even though the finish of the street fight is so much stronger. And I'd like to add that I think the most underrated match of his reign in my opinion is the TLC match. I guess because I was just so pleasantly surprised by it. I'm not that big on Del Rio and Miz but the two impressed the hell out of me with their performances in this one. Kudos to them. A match with creative spots with an actual story, and a great finish.
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