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Old 02-25-2013, 03:18 AM   #19611 (permalink)
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The RISE of Mick Foley as a lovable face to the WWF audience.

Undertaker, Austin, Harts, Vader, Shamrock, & BRIAN PILLMAN PROMOS too. Yay.

There is also Ahmad Johnson promos. Things to be less excited for. Despite the hilarity.
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Old 02-25-2013, 03:25 AM   #19612 (permalink)
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Cody I listed Regal and Finlay, Eaton slipped my mind but I'd put him with Dibiase in an honourable mention. The people I had ahead of him are the cream of the crop in terms of entertainment for me, so its no disservice to Eaton.

Cena/Edge TLC is bleh and Cena has a tremendous number of greater matches than it. I get it has the spots and visual aesthetic to rank higher in people's minds, but there's very little in the way of great work in between the spots to hold the match together. Cody was bang on that Edge regardless of his reputation for being the quintessential TLC worker really couldn't lead anyone to that great a match in that environment. Heck Benoit in one night at Wrestlemania 21 put in a better performance and developed a structure and meaning to a ladder match than Edge ever did.

Whoever described Cena/Lesnar as 'Lesnar beats him up the whole damn match and Cena makes a comeback and wins' is grossly over simplifying the match btw. That was arguably Cena's best ever babyface performance, coupled with a mesmerising Lesnar performance on offence and managed to get across the very rare feeling of genuine and autentic violence in a WWE ring. It didn't come off as a spectacle passed off for something it wasn't, it legit felt uncomfortable and horribly violent and very un WWE in its execution and presentation. The timing of Cena's two big hope spots with the Backlund deadlift powerslam and the chain shot were wonderful and Lesnar appropriately sold both in a tremendous 'monster momentarily rocked and put in unfamiliar territory' and the finish felt like a genuine miracle comeback from Cena. No lazy execution or set up, no contrived formula, you really felt if he didn't win there and then he was helpless. One of the only times in years he's been truly made out to be a victim and a lamb to the slaughter and wouldn't you know, its a top 3 match of his career.
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WC you were another one who my statement was exactly directed towards

It's not a surprise Benoit managed to trump Edge with one effort at WM 21. Benoit does hold the distinction of being in ladder match that is wildly considering to be one of - if not the definitive - best in the history of WWF/WWE. Man has worked his magic in the scenario quite a bit.

I tried to ignore the Cena/Brock comment. For the life of me cannot understand the thinking of it. I get if someone dislike's Cena for whatever reasons it can leave them sour knowing he trumped Brock in his return, HOWEVER, to deny the match any significance of being a fabulous performance by Cena or a legitimately exquisite match, well, then that's being blind to the truth. It had the element of "realism" behind it better than dare I say most matches the company has ever, ever put out. That's the Brock factor on that night. Win or lose the man did his job perfectly. He deserves to be commended for it. He's an ass kicker. Not a wrestler. He made you believe. In addition, as did John-boy. To a massive extend he did. The punishment was so one sided you thought Brock's overwhelming force was truly dominating Cena. He couldn't fight back b/c there was no "traditional ebb & flow". It was Brock saying fuck the biz, I'm going to kill you. Cena breathed life into the fans. The passion. The story. The comeback. All was built into making what seemed to be a pro-Brock crowd into a crowd to get behind Cena. Magnificent performance by both. Without a doubt. Cena's could be slated higher considering the uphill struggle he had to eventually turn some fans thanks to his "controversial" nature.
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It's not a surprise Benoit managed to trump Edge with one effort at WM 21. Benoit does hold the distinction of being in ladder match that is wildly considering to be one of - if not the definitive - best in the history of WWF/WWE. Man has worked his magic in the scenario quite a bit.

I tried to ignore the Cena/Brock comment. For the life of me cannot understand the thinking of it. I get if someone dislike's Cena for whatever reasons it can leave them sour knowing he trumped Brock in his return, HOWEVER, to deny the match any significance of being a fabulous performance by Cena or a legitimately exquisite match, well, then that's being blind to the truth. It had the element of "realism" behind it better than dare I say most matches the company has ever, ever put out. That's the Brock factor on that night. Win or lose the man did his job perfectly. He deserves to be commended for it. He's an ass kicker. Not a wrestler. He made you believe. In addition, as did John-boy. To a massive extend he did. The punishment was so one sided you thought Brock's overwhelming force was truly dominating Cena. He couldn't fight back b/c there was no "traditional ebb & flow". It was Brock saying fuck the biz, I'm going to kill you. Cena breathed life into the fans. The passion. The story. The comeback. All was built into making what seemed to be a pro-Brock crowd into a crowd to get behind Cena. Magnificent performance by both. Without a doubt. Cena's could be slated higher considering the uphill struggle he had to eventually turn some fans thanks to his "controversial" nature.
You know I dig the Eaton man. If I suited blonde I'd be rocking a Beautiful Bobby mullet. I mean for christ sake even Morton and Tully escaped my list and those guys are right there as some of my favourites to watch. The 10 I listed just happened to eclipse them .

Ha I overlooked Benoit/Jericho from Royal Rumble '01 but aye that's another demonstration of Benoit's talent in Ladder matches. Doesn't he have one from WCW as well from a Nitro/PPV? I want to say vs Jarrett but I could be woefully incorrect there. Edge feels like a guy who gains this reputation because of the volume of Ladder/TLC matches he worked, but I really don't consider him that special with the gimmick. A guy willing to take a mean bump? Sure, but then so were many others. The original TLC matches bar TLC III do little for me, fun for what they are but not something I can call 'great matches'.

Yeah I mean if you're going to pick at Cena/Lesnar and essentially strip the match down to its barest parts, then you can do the same for virtually any match in history. It was a very simple match in terms of layout and execution but that's where the genius and brilliance is derived: their ability to work such a visually lasting match without having to work an absurd number of spots or deviate from a clear developing structure. It is hard to try and compare who shined brighter. I'd lean closer to Cena since I think his passion and fire in the comeback was so energetic it was impossible for the crowd to not become unglued and he sold the fear and uphill struggle as well we he possibly could. Not to mention his character and unpopular reception from the fans just added to the intrigue in how the match moved from a fun Cena beating into such a slaughter people began to rally behind how Cena could overcome the monster. That being said, Lesnar was a damn animal and put in one of the most convincing and stunning performances the company has seen. He got himself more over and created an even more magnifying presence in one night than most people would replicate in over a year. Plus his facial expression of shock and worry after the deadlift powerslam ala Backlund might have been my favourite part of the entire match. Was Austin at Wrestlemania 17 levels of magnificent.
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The Rock(c) vs. Kurt Angle w/Stephanie McMahon Helmsley - ***1/2


Not a lot of substance to this one but it was fun and I enjoyed it. Run ins at the end from GAME and Rikishi made sense what with Steph getting hurt and Rikishi DOING IT FOR DA ROCK. Great moment with Kurt getting his first WWE title. An OK match that's fun to watch.

Triple H vs. Chris Benoit - ****1/4

I loved the story of this one and JR/King really complimented the story the guys were telling in the ring. For the first third of the match, it's HHH who is out-wrestling Benoit with some supreme leg work. Always fun to watch the GAME bust out some techy shit every now and then. The crowd are loving it too with Trips playing the clear favourite for a nice change of pace given the time period. Benoit finally starts to take control and works the arm along with hitting some legit German/back suplexes for his third of the match. The final third is some awesome back and forth from both guys. We get a run in from Stephanie that ultimately gets the win for HHH but Benoit still comes out looking like a beast. Brilliant stuff.
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I'll give my 2 cents on Brock/Cena - phenomenal match. MOTY for 2012 imo. Cena put on a near flawless performance, and by the end of the match he'd managed to almost fully turn the usually very anti-Cena Chicago crowd.
On the other side of the coin, Brock looked like he was going to legit fuck Cena up. He was a beast from bell to bell. The match felt very real and dangerous and unlike anything we've seen from the WWE before.

I have no problem with Cena winning, because he won exactly how you would expect anyone to win under those circumstances. He surprised Lesnar with the chair shot and Lesnar couldn't recover. He didn't expect Cena to pull that out of the bag so he wasn't prepared to deal with it. Perfect upset win for the underdog babyface.
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Undertaker vs Triple H (Wrestlemania XXVIII) - ★★★★1/2
Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle (Wrestlemania XIX) - ★★★★1/4
Undertaker vs Edge (Wrestlemania XXIV) - ★★★★1/2
Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania X) - ★★★★1/4
Money in the Bank I (Wrestlemania 21) - ★★★★½
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Undertaker vs Triple H (Wrestlemania XXVIII) - ****3/4
Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle (Wrestlemania XIX) - ****1/4
Undertaker vs Edge (Wrestlemania XXIV) - ****1/2
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Money in the Bank I (Wrestlemania 21) - ****1/2

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