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FAVOURITE and not best? That's a list I can certainly put together .

Undertaker
Ric Flair
Terry Funk
Mick Foley
William Regal
Eddie Guerrero
Shawn Michaels
Finlay
Chris Benoit
Vader

Honourable mention to the likes of Danielson, McGuinness, Tenryu, Lawler, Backlund, Murdoch, Lesnar, Mysterio and Christian.
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Well here is the second half of my Kidman/Guerrera series. Unfortunately, I could not find two of their matches in 1999, but I did get to review their two best matches together.

[August 10, 1998]
Spoiler for Match #10:
[**1/4]

By this point, Juventud Guerrera finally became the Cruiserweight champion after a grueling battle with Jericho. Juvi defends his title here against Kidman just a day after winning it. Unfortunately for us, the powers that be only gave them a couple minutes to work with for their first ever title match. This match really just did not "click" like their past few encounters. FINALLY Juvi hits his wheelbarrow maneuver for only a two count. We see nothing new here, except for Kidman's new clean attire that makes him look less like a heroin addict. Juvi with a sloppy 450 splash for the phoned-in victory.

Things to look out for: Kidman's new attire, No Lodi at ringside


[September 14, 1998]
Spoiler for Match #11:
[***1/2]

FACE KIDMAN! These fans finally get their chance to cheer for Kidman after months of waiting for that opportunity. Looks like he stopped scratching too. This is the title match that they should have had a month ago. Kidman does a springboard headscissor takedown that we have not seen in any of their other matches. Action slows down for a couple minutes, but gets back to the frantic pace after the commercial break. Oh dear, now we get a chinlock from Kidman, but thankfully it was very short. Crowd went crazy for the BK Bomb. Boos from the crowd after the BK Bomb and the wheelbarrow suplex only get a two. Kidman gets to perform more offense here than in any other match between the two. Pace quickens again once Juvi gets back on the offensive. WOW! Juvi Driver reversed into an inverted suplex by Kidman only gets a two count. It sounds like the fans have turned on Juvi and are now on Kidman's side. Kidman reverses Juvi's aerial maneuver to another BK Bomb. SSP! SSP! Kidman wins the match as well as the Cruiserweight championship. Awesome ending sequence.

Things to look out for: Kidman as a face, Inverted suplex, Two BK Bombs


[October 26, 1998]
Spoiler for Match #12:
[***1/2]

This is the first time I remember Kidman having entrance music. Goodness gracious, the pace here is faster than it was in any of their other matches. Although this was one of their shorter matches, these two have developed such good chemistry that anything they put together now is gold. BRAINBUSTAAHHH from Juvi. Seriously, these two are on their game tonight. Cool looking back suplex by Kidman. Fameasser! A Fameasser by Juvi for only a two count. Man I can never get tired of Kidman's wheelbarrow suplex. Kidman tries to do another one, but Juvi FINALLY hits the bulldog. No wasted motion here. For the first time that I can remember, Kidman kicks out of Juvi's super-Frankensteiner. Also this is the first match between the two where they use the "You Can't Powerbomb Kidman" spot. BK Bomb and SSP gets the three count for Kidman. This was honestly one of the best sub-5 minute matches that I have ever seen. Certainly up there with the likes of Owen/123 and Punk/Mysterio.

Things to look out for: Brainbuster, Fameasser, Kidman's powerbomb reversal


[November 16, 1998]
Spoiler for Match #13:
[****1/4]

Although Kidman was scheduled to have a title match with Mysterio in a couple days, he decides to put the title on the line tonight against Juvi. No objections here, but Kidman doesn't seem like the smartest pickle. Hot crowd, which should be a great sign of things to come. Juventud is having a hard time rolling out of the ring. Kidman suplexes Juvi back into the ring for a nice pop. A flurry of chops from Juvi which leads to the ten-punch corner spot. at Juvi yelling at the camera and sticking his tongue out. Loud "Juvi Sucks" chants. Oh man, Kidman takes a hard fall after jumping over the top rope. Now some "Juvi" chants from the crowd. Love how each of these guys are trading springboard leg drops with each other. Juvi selling the wear and tear of the match after each of his high-risk maneuvers. SPINEBUSTER! Juvi with a spinebuster. Pace naturally slows down to further the story of both of these guys selling the after-effects of the match, but nothing feels forced, which is great news. Juvi goes for the powerbomb, but Kidman reverses it into a facebuster. Here come the nearfalls! Oh man that Juvi Driver looked painful. Kidman almost landed on his head there. Juvi looks worried now since he has thrown everything on to Kidman, but it doesn't work. Juvi puts Kidman up on the top rope, but Kidman low blows Juvi, even though he is a face. BK BOMB! TOP ROPE BK BOMB! And it ONLY gets a two! This crowd is on fire. Kidman goes for the SSP, but Juvi brings him off the turnbuckle and down to the ground. Juvi goes for the 450 for the win and the championship.

After the match, Kidman grabs the belt away from the referee. It looks like he is reluctant to giving away the Cruiserweight Title to Guerrera, but eventually he hands the belt to Juvi and embraces him for a pop. This was definitely the best match that these two had so far. While most of their other matches were fast-paced sprints, this one had more "structure" for a lack of a better term. Both guys sold their hearts out and the crowd bought into each and every single move and counter done. Hats off to both of these guys.

Things to look out for: Low blow-BK Bomb, Spike Juvi Driver


[World War III 1998]
Spoiler for Match #14:
[****1/4]

Just a few days after their clinic, these two have a rematch at the World War III PPV. Not sure what happened to Mysterio who was scheduled for this match, but I have no problem with this rematch. Juvi has finally joined the LWO, thus turning heel in the process. So far the turn is working, because these fans do not like Juventud. The Fameasser from their match a few months ago has come back for tonight. Juvi continues to taunt the crowd to sell his new heel character. Kidman back on the offensive. Emerald Frosion from Kidman. I have not seen him ever use that move. Juvi's spinebuster is now part of his regular offense. For the first time in their series, Juvi is the one that puts a resthold on Kidman, further playing off his heel attitude. Love how Kidman and Juvi have switched roles in this match. Juvi goes for the tornado DDT, but Kidman reverses it, only for Juvi to hit him with a stunner on the apron. Kidman with a painful lariat and dropkick. He really knows how to show off his aggressive side as well as his high-risk offense. Flying hurricanrana by Juvi brings the action to the outside. Juvi now taunting the members of the audience at ringside. Man, he can play a heel just as well as he can play a face. BRAINBUSTAAAHHH! Juvi's control segment kicks so much ass. Every time Kidman tries to fight back, Juventud dropkicks him in the face.

As we get towards the half-way mark, the action moves on to the second ring. WW3 may be a big clusterfuck, but the concept of three rings is a nice touch especially when it is utilized in the singles matches. Juvi with a double springboard into another dropkick. Kidman hits his own dropkick to start his comeback sequence. Unfortunately for Kidman, he misses the corner splash, which sets up Juvi's offense. WOW! Kidman does a springboard headscissor takedown on Juvi to send him back to the first ring. Double springboard crossbody for only a two count. Kidman rushes towards Juvi, but Juvi flips him over into the top rope of another ring. Double springboard into a frankensteiner for just a two! Juvi signals for the Juvi Driver, which garners some boos. Juvi goes for the Driver, which is reversed by Kidman into an inverted suplex, which is reversed AGAIN by Juvi into the Juvi Driver. Great sequence. Instead of going for the pinfall though, Juvi gets greedy and attempts the 450. Kidman gets out of the way, but Guerrera recovers and does a hurricanrana for only a two count. Now Juvi lashes out at the referee, which is something he never did in any of their other matches. Did Juvi just slap Charles Robinson? Juvi goes for the powerbomb only to get busted in the face. The crowd has simulatenously erupted! Kidman gets ready to do the SSP, but Juvi joins Kidman at the turnbuckle. What is this? Is that Rey Mysterio? Just as Juvi goes for a frankensteiner off the top rope, Rey holds on to Kidman's shorts to make sure that Kidman does not fall. Kidman gets ready, and BAM! SSP for the win and the championship! What a feel good moment.

After the match, Kidman rolls out of the ring while Rey gets back in. Suddenly Eddie Guerrero and gang storm to the ring to confront Mysterio. Eddie asks Rey if his allegiance is still with the LWO, which Rey replies by throwing his LWO shirt at Eddie's face and runs to the back. This match, and everything afterwards was just all kinds of awesome. This match had everything that the other matches had, and then some. Juvi nailed this new attitude of his, while Kidman finally gets to play his natural face role in this match. So many new moves as well as the fantastic moves of old. Please, whatever you do, watch this match!

Things to look out for: Heel Juvi, All the springboard maneuvers, Mysterio


[October 4, 1999]
Spoiler for Match #15:
[***1/2]

Profightdb says that these two had a couple other encounters in 1999, but for the life of me, I cannot find them anywhere. This last match in their series happened in the Owen Hart tribute Nitro, so this one was not too hard to find. Juvi is now known as "The Juice", akin to Mr. Johnson who is making major moves in the other brand. These two trade forearms to start the match, which then leads to Kidman's sick backdrop. Kidman mocks Juvi to the delight of the crowd. Back and forth action continues between the two just like old times. GOOD LORD, did Kidman just do a German suplex to Juvi to the floor? Kidman teases a handshake, which Juvi takes the bait only to get fireman carried. Luckily for Juvi, he reverses it into a tornado DDT, which sets up the LATINO ELBOW! The Juice tells us all that he knows our role as we head to commercial break.

As we get back from break, this match starts to get a bit out of hand. After some maneuver trading, Juvi signals Psychosis to come down to the ring. Unfortunately for Hypnosis, the high flyer of the highest magnitude gets a fist in the face for his struggles from Kidman. Juventud and Psychosis try to pull some more shenanigans, but Kidman fights off both of them in succession. WHAT A BULLDOG from Juvi. A great sequence just occurs where Juvi escapes a powerbomb, Kidman reverses the Juvi Driver, and Juvi reverses Kidman's inverted suplex into another bulldog. Juvi goes for the 450, but Kidman gets out of the way. BK Bomb out of nowhere, but Psychosis bothers Kidman enough for Juventud to recover. As Mysterio argues with the referee regarding Psychosis' constant distractions, Juvi hits the Juvi Driver for the victory. Solid match, but it never got to that next gear that their last two encounters in 1998 did.

Things to look out for: Juvi's Rocky impersonations, Sequence of counters mentioned in review



Final Thoughts: The best way that I could describe these two is that they made the best out of the little time given to them. I can only count a couple minutes in their entire series where the match felt like it was just dragging along. Props to WCW for allowing these two to have a couple extended matches. My favorite part of this series was the fact that each match these two had together had a hot crowd that bought into every maneuver. A wild crowd really helps make a wrestling match easier to watch.

I have to really give my respects to anyone and everyone that ever did an extended review of anything. It is very tiring to make all these full length reviews in such short time, but at the same time, it certainly was fun to do. I could still use some improvement in my diction and formatting, and I could definitely be more concise. I'm thinking of reviewing all the Jericho/Eddie tag matches for my next project, as well as maybe another project reviewing the Mysterio/Malenko series.
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Not in any order:

CM Punk
Chris Jericho
Kurt Angle
Undertaker
Chris Benoit
Shawn Michaels
Brock Lesnar
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Damn Cal, you reminded me I forgot to do Honorable Mentions: Benoit, Christian, Regal, Mysterio counting as the WWE performers. If I did all time then oh god.
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Naming a Top 10 is going to be hard work but I'll give it a try:

Mick Foley (will always be top)
The Undertaker
Steve Austin
Terry Funk
Bret Hart
Vader
Brock Lesnar
Roddy Piper
Raven
Jake Roberts

This list will change a lot so here's some guys who just miss out: Shawn Michaels, CM Punk, Big Boss Man, Ric Flair, William Regal, Fit Finlay

Tag Teams:
Legion Of Doom
Dudley Boyz
APA
Hart Foundation
Not sure...Rockers maybe

Man, would've love to see Legion Of Doom vs. APA with both teams in their prime.
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Top 10 favorite performers:

Bret
Undertaker
Punk
Jericho
Michaels
Eddie
Bryan
Benoit
Raven
Funk
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Also, I need some help with this for my Top 1000, does anyone have like 50-75 awesometag matches they are willing to recommend to me, they could be PPV/TV I do not care, just need a list to waddle through
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Top 1000? Are you serious?
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Also, I need some help with this for my Top 1000, does anyone have like 50-75 awesometag matches they are willing to recommend to me, they could be PPV/TV I do not care, just need a list to waddle through
Too lazy to go through and get just the tag matches myself, but here is the top 100 list compiled by myself and a number of other guys from here and another site, which has a bunch of tag matches (just WWF/E, right? Cos we have a WCW list too lol)

http://bigcaldiscs.webs.com/listings...0wwfecomp.html
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Favourites who've spent time in WWF/E and/or WCW:

Lawler
Funk
Arn
Vader
Finlay
Regal
Eddie
Dustin Rhodes
Steamboat
Hansen

Would have included Tenryu if I wasn't basing it on significant time in one of the companies.
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