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Old 02-18-2013, 03:29 PM   #18591 (permalink)
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Punk vs Rock at EC is better than the one at the RR for me too.

Yesterday they both were booked strong, CM Punk lost but he didn't look weak at all

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Old 02-18-2013, 03:32 PM   #18592 (permalink)
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Well... I'm seriously doubting that ANY WM event is gonna be worse than WM 2. WM 1 is SEVEN TIMES BETTER in terms of the CAL SCALE. And WM 1 sucked.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:33 PM   #18593 (permalink)
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Only thing I'm interested in for Mania is what SHIELD will be doing.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:36 PM   #18594 (permalink)
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Punk looks strong as ever now. I guess they didn't want to make him look like a little bitch for when he has to take on THE UNDERTAKER and the fucking STREAK. The only question is how the fuck does this all work ? Does Taker ask for the match, or does Punk ask for it ? You would have to assume that Taker asks for it since I expect a rant about how he's still champion and how he pinned the Rock and stuff like that.

The only thing is ; the story does NOT seem like Punk is headed for The Streak at all, and it actually seems like they're heading for either a Triple Threat or Brock-Punk. The only reason I'm assuming we're getting the EPIC streak match is because the dirtsheets told me so .

All three matches would be amazing for different reasons IMO ; Triple Threat because PUNK gets his Mania main event, Brock-Punk because it's two of my three all time favorites going at it and it's completely original unlike Brock-HHH, and Punk-Taker because it has the highest potential of the three to be MOTN and subsequently MOTY.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:38 PM   #18595 (permalink)
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I had one major problem with Rock/Punk last night. This may seem like nitpicking and it may not mean to shit to most people but when The Rock got into the ring after going through the table to end the 10 count, CM Punk turned around way too fast. Yeah, I know, over-exaggerating right?

But it's those little things that piss me off. I'm all for getting the most out of nothing in pro wrestling. Punk's back was turned to The Rock, therefore he should have been unaware of Rock entering. So what he should have done was sit there and take it all in, big grin on his face, thinking he's all won then bam! He realizes the crowd is suddenly cheering so he's all confused and turns around and surprised to see what awaits him. But to just spin around like that and attack him, just lacks drama. You know? It lacks any sort of emotion.

Again, to most this is nitpicking. But shit, like I said, it's cool to get a reaction from jumping off a ladder. It's impressive to get a reaction from just pulling down a strap on your singlet.

It's moments like that that make question's Punk's ability as a worker. As a matter of fact, I don't think much of him as a worker tbh. I mean sometimes he can be great, other times he's questionable. I have Punk nowhere in a top 10. Top 10 promo guys, maybe. Workers? Hell no. Then again a lot of guys who I am huge fans of I'll put nowhere in a top 10. Jericho, for example, is a guy who I'm a huge fan of but he's nowhere in atop 10 of mine or 20.
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I don't really understand that. The ref stopped the count and the bell would have rang had Rock not made the count, not sure how Punk could sit there oblivious to the fact the bell hadn't sounded with the crowd cheering Rock making the count and not look like the biggest idiot in the world. Plus Punk is arguably the only guy working at the moment who likes to add the little details into matches. Bryan is another but he's currently stuck in a comedy character rut which limits his work. Punk's about as good a guy as WWE have in terms of adding little touches and doing simple things others probably wouldn't think to do. Even things last night like pulling the tights of Rock to maintain a hold and stop him breaking free, and blowing a kiss to Rock's mom seconds before he was met by the first Rock Bottom. Then you have the way he worked his knee injury into the match at the Rumble, selling it after a dropkick off the ropes without any reason to do so other than to work fans into thinking the bum kneee might have given out on him.

Punk isn't 'amazing' as a worker. But he's very good and has a clear old school appreciation and approach to his work and craft. You can tell this is a man who wants to add unique touches and make subtle moments matter in the greater context. Execution can be sloppy and he needs to stop overestimating his athleticism, but he has enough structure and sense in mapping out a coherent match to overcome some issues of execution.

There are times when gaps in logic are present, but I don't see how Punk immediately registering Rock had made the count counts as one.

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Punk has worked with either Ryback or Rock for his last FOUR PPV matches, and even managed to drag an almost **** match out of Ryback at the beginning of the year. I'd EASILY put Punk as a top two worker in the company right now with Daniel Bryan who I don't think gets a fair shake due to booking putting him in strictly tag scenarios most of the time. Over the last two years though, I don't think anybody in the company even comes CLOSE to the work Punk has put in show in and show out.

Sure, Cena may have had the MOTY in 2012 but I'd attribute a ton of that to BROCK having the GOAT heel control segment in that Extreme Rules match. I would easily without a shadow of a doubt say Punk is the best all around talent in the WWE right now by a fair margin due to Bryan not getting a chance to shine properly, Cena having a god awful character that has been overdone way too many times, and.... Yeah that's about it.

When it comes to In ring work/Mic work combined, there's Punk in one stratosphere and everybody else in the other IMO. Bryan, Cena, Sheamus, Jericho, and Henry could be right there soon enough if some aspects of their game get stepped up real soon, and it's only a matter of time before Bryan is a singles worker again and the probable BEST IN THE COMPANY.
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I like how the announce table didn't break, probably because they under-gimmicked it so it would actually break b/c Dwyane's roided ass collapsed the thing at the Rumble without actually hitting the Rock Bottom.
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HHH asking the ref to not count them out or DQ them so they could fight is hardly the same as no holds barred. They didn't use any weapons...
Either way it was a No DQ match, No Holds Barred, whatever you want to call it.

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The feud WAS completely underwhelming as whole, but I never mentioned the feud. I just said the match was good, which it was. It was stupid of them to have Lesnar go in a straight singles match (Yes, I know it was technically no-dq, but Lesnar isn't in his element until he can use weapons, or even HHH for that matter). If you went in thinking it was going to be a 5 star classic, then fuck yeah it was probably underwhelming. Re watch the match, I'll guarantee you'll like it the second time around like I did. You legit sound like I did before I rewatched that match.
I will save a re-watch for when I have literally NOTHING else to watch which won't be for... awhile. Fuck that match and fuck that show altogether.

Summerslam has been pure garbage ever since they've decided that LA is it's official home which it has been for the past 4 years. 2011 was the only decent show and that's only because of the main event.

Hopefully this year it'll be good with the rumoured Lesnar/Rock match. I would drive down to LA to see that one.
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Here's an interesting question...

"Better worker" : Miz as WWE Champion in 2010/2011 , or Rock as WWE Champion in 2013 ?

What's sad is that I'm being 100 percent serious. The Miz matches against Jerry Lawler have been worth more to me from a work standpoint than Rock's entire reign probably will.
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