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Old 02-16-2013, 04:50 PM   #18221 (permalink)
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Top 5 chambers:

1) SVS 2002
2) NYR 2005
3) WHC Chamber 2009
4) WHC Chamber 2011
5) WHC Chamber 2010

Also looking at some ratings for last year's chamber matches, I think I'm higher than anyone. Both get ***1/4 from me on last watch, though I hold the SD one slightly higher due to the awesomeness of Barrett/Bryan and how over Santino was and how much the crowd popped when he hit the cobra. Incredible how a jobber could do that.

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Punk's name in the same vein as Benoit... lol. But that's not the discussion here so I'll skip that.
Sure, you could even say Punk has surpassed Benoit as far as all-around goes, though Benoit's much better in the ring.

And while I get that Punk is very relevant and that would make a hater's blood boil and makes it hard for them to ignore him, the best way to attack something you hate is to not acknowledge it when it comes to WWE. Cena becoming as big as he is is just as much due to the hate he gets from adults as opposed to the love he gets from kids. It's locked him in as a controversial figure in WWE for all-time, and I'm sure the Cena hate only fuels those that like him to like him even more.

I mean, if the amount of people who dislike a guy like... say... Barrett (as it appears on this forum) would acknowledge it at every WWE event, WWE wouldn't have much of a choice but to push him. Because the crowd remains silent for him, WWE can continue ignoring him and could release him any day and nobody would care.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:59 PM   #18222 (permalink)
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Wrestlemania XXIV

JBL/Finlay ***1/2
MITB - ****1/4
Batista/Umaga - **
Kane/Chavo - N/A
HBK/Flair - ****
Divas - N/A
Orton/Cena/HHH - ***1/2
Mayweather/Show - ***1/2
Edge/Taker - ****1/2

One of the best overall shows ever. Great opener, awesome spotfest, an emotional retirement match, surprising triple threat for the WWE title (no one thought Orton was going to win), the GOAT celebrity match, and a fantastic main event to top it off.

I would like to watch this show again at some point in the near future.

Also, this show has what I think is one of the best promos ever. Edge was a master on the mic, but he killed it in his backstage interview before his match with The Undertaker.

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Old 02-16-2013, 05:03 PM   #18223 (permalink)
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That Edge promo is amazing. Might be my favorite backstage pre-match promo ever tbh, or one of at least.
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Old 02-16-2013, 05:04 PM   #18224 (permalink)
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Great promo. I remember being surprised that the Edge/Taker match was going on last. I think most people thought HHH/Cena/Orton would main event, but it turned out to be a good decision. Great match.
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The reason Taker/Edge main evented is because of the "fans go home happy" rule. They wouldn't have the triple threat close the show as Orton, the heel, walked out the winner. Of course that's not a rule that always stays as shown two years ago with The Miz beating Cena but there was The Rock to stand tall as the final sight of the show.

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Sure, you could even say Punk has surpassed Benoit as far as all-around goes, though Benoit's much better in the ring.

And while I get that Punk is very relevant and that would make a hater's blood boil and makes it hard for them to ignore him, the best way to attack something you hate is to not acknowledge it when it comes to WWE. Cena becoming as big as he is is just as much due to the hate he gets from adults as opposed to the love he gets from kids. It's locked him in as a controversial figure in WWE for all-time, and I'm sure the Cena hate only fuels those that like him to like him even more.

I mean, if the amount of people who dislike a guy like... say... Barrett (as it appears on this forum) would acknowledge it at every WWE event, WWE wouldn't have much of a choice but to push him. Because the crowd remains silent for him, WWE can continue ignoring him and could release him any day and nobody would care.
I disagree. Benoit's WM20 victory and celebration is still far ahead of Punk's entire career. Not to mention other accomplishments like making all time greats (Angle, HHH, HBK, ROCK etc) tap out and being one of only 2 Rumble winners starting at #1. People underestimate Benoit's legacy IMO. It may be because of how WWE has removed him from their history but he still achieved everything one can except the WWE Championship. Plus he's one of the only few to be a triple crown winner in WCW AND WWE. I also don't think number of World Titles makes you bigger. Edge has not surpassed Hogan or Austin just because he has more title reigns to his name for instance.

And you make some very good points on the second paragraph. I admit I used to come across as an overly obsessed troll with Punk at one point but thankfully, it's getting phased out now. I barely post in the ratings thread, I don't raid every topic about him (although I still post in some of them which I'll try to minimize) and I don't make hyperbole statements about him in here or elsewhere.

From this point on, the only acknowledgment he gets from me is when rating PPVs or matches which means mostly in this thread. That and maybe if there's ridiculous threads like "Punk has surpassed HHH".
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The reason Taker/Edge main evented is because of the "fans go home happy" rule. They wouldn't have the triple threat close the show as Orton, the heel, walked out the winner. Of course that's not a rule that always stays as shown two years ago with The Miz beating Cena but there was The Rock to stand tall as the final sight of the show.
Oh I totally understand that. But nobody thought Orton was walking out with the strap. I think there was a poll result shown just before the match, and about 48% was for Cena, with another 48% for HHH. Which leaves 4% for Orton. I think this came about because most people thought the triple threat was the main event, thus believing a babyface was going to win.

Obviously a load of kids probably voted for their favourites, but still that's a huge difference.
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The reason Taker/Edge main evented is because of the "fans go home happy" rule. They wouldn't have the triple threat close the show as Orton, the heel, walked out the winner. Of course that's not a rule that always stays as shown two years ago with The Miz beating Cena but there was The Rock to stand tall as the final sight of the show.
I don't exactly remember where I read it but I heard Flair/Michaels was suppose to close the show but Ric insisted Taker/Edge main event. I'm not sure if that was a rumor or not.

Glad it turned out the way it did. Many people felt Taker should have won the title in the main event a year prior so it's cool we got it after another classic at WM 24.
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Pretty sure Undertaker/Edge main evented over the triple threat because it was the bigger match . Was a year in the making, going back to when Edge cashed in on Undertaker after the cage match. Then HIAC where Edge again cost Undertaker the title, and at Armageddon in the triple threat.
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I think Taker/Edge main evented for Taker getting another main event, as he should've gotten it the year prior against Batista. Plus Flair didn't want the main event spot, Mayweather/Show wasn't main eventing, and it also did allow the WWE Title match to be more unpredictable. They could've closed the show with Randy winning if they really wanted to, much like at WM25 which is how it should've went down.

Also it could be argued as a bigger match, though it is close. Taker was/is the biggest star of that Mania as far as WWE guys go, but the combination of Cena, HHH, and Orton, plus it being on Raw arguably made for a bigger feud and match than Taker/Edge.

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I disagree. Benoit's WM20 victory and celebration is still far ahead of Punk's entire career. Not to mention other accomplishments like making all time greats (Angle, HHH, HBK, ROCK etc) tap out and being one of only 2 Rumble winners starting at #1. I also don't think number of World Titles makes you bigger. Edge has not surpassed Hogan or Austin just because he has more title reigns to his name for instance.

And you make some very good points on the second paragraph. I admit I used to come across as an overly obsessed troll with Punk at one point but thankfully, it's getting phased out now. I barely post in the ratings thread, I don't raid every topic about him (although I still post in some of them which I'll try to minimize) and I don't make hyperbole statements about him in here or elsewhere.

From this point on, the only acknowledgment he gets from me is when rating PPVs or matches which means mostly in this thread. That and maybe if there's ridiculous threads like "Punk has surpassed HHH".
Benoit's celebration with Eddie at WM20 was an incredible moment, and I would put it above anything Punk has, but I think Punk's victory against Cena at MITB 2011 rivals it. Besides that and Benoit's WHC run, he was a lower main-eventer at best, and all around I'd put Punk's run in the main event above Benoit's as far as impact goes (not that either has made that big of an impact), and it was far more entertaining for me. As far as on an all-time GOAT list, Punk's just done more to be higher. Benoit's career was cut-short and it wasn't a main event big-time career anyway. It was a great journey, building up the card and becoming one of if not the best work-horses in wrestling history, and all of it peaking at WM20 with his World Title win, but Punk has a similar career, only his main event run has amounted to more (imo).

To each his own, I don't think Punk is indisputably above Benoit or anything like that, but he's done enough to surpass him, and surpassing Benoit on an all-time list not pure-wrestling based isn't something that's that big to me. Same with Eddie Guerrero, though I'm a huge mark for Eddie's work all around and as an all-around talent I'd put him above Punk... and pretty much everyone, but his career was cut short and it peaked only at his WWE Title win and outside of that run, he was more or less a career mid-carder/lower main eventer. I was a bigger Eddie mark than I was Punk mark as well. I do think it's closer between Eddie and Punk though and I may even be inclined to personally put Eddie above Punk... maybe.

That's my thoughts on that. And yeah, stop hating Punk. Let us marks of his enjoy him while he's still around (if what he implies his true, he may not have as long as us marks would like left).
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Idk, I find it hard comparing guys like Benoit, Steamboat, or Bret to "overall total package" guys who may have had better mic skills, personality, drew more money, etc. Their talent and skills in the ring were so fantastic that for me personally it would put them on a higher level then say a Chris Jericho or Punk who are both exceptional in their own right in the ring.
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