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Old 02-16-2013, 03:55 PM   #18211 (permalink)
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The best thing that can possibly come out of the terrible year long reign is that Punk doesn't get the WM main event. They already made a terrible mistake with the trainwreck that was MIZ main eventing Mania, they shouldn't do it again with an undeserving fuck like Punk.
Comparing Punk with MIZ is laughable.

Honestly though i see (obviously) you do not like Punk but i don't think i've ever seen a reason from yourself as to why? I get people who don't like certain characters (MIZ) but you seem to flat out hate the Punker.
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:56 PM   #18212 (permalink)
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The best thing that can possibly come out of the terrible year long reign is that Punk doesn't get the WM main event. They already made a terrible mistake with the trainwreck that was MIZ main eventing Mania, they shouldn't do it again with an undeserving fuck like Punk.
Looks like you're being quite biased. How does a guy who has worked his ass off persistently since he was just a kid... paying his dues in the indys and constantly evolving to keep his material "fresh" not deserve success? The Miz is the same boring shit he was when he entered the WWE. Some asshole rich kid from MTV who just keeps repeating lame mom jokes and how awesome he is. Everything he has ever said is simple and rehashed junk. He hasn't changed anything about his dull in-ring style and to say that Punk vs. Cena in the main event of Wrestlemania would be the same as Miz vs. Cena has to be one of the worst things I've seen anyone post on here.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:13 PM   #18213 (permalink)
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Comparing Punk with MIZ is laughable.

Honestly though i see (obviously) you do not like Punk but i don't think i've ever seen a reason from yourself as to why? I get people who don't like certain characters (MIZ) but you seem to flat out hate the Punker.
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Looks like you're being quite biased. How does a guy who has worked his ass off persistently since he was just a kid... paying his dues in the indys and constantly evolving to keep his material "fresh" not deserve success? The Miz is the same boring shit he was when he entered the WWE. Some asshole rich kid from MTV who just keeps repeating lame mom jokes and how awesome he is. Everything he has ever said is simple and rehashed junk. He hasn't changed anything about his dull in-ring style and to say that Punk vs. Cena in the main event of Wrestlemania would be the same as Miz vs. Cena has to be one of the worst things I've seen anyone post on here.
I did not compare Miz with Punk, though. My point was that the main event of WM is very prestigious and only people who truly have the talent deserve it. In my opinion, Punk doesn't have that just like Miz doesn't even if Punk is way ahead in the ring.

I mean look at some of the names who have main evented WM: Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, The Rock, Triple H, Chris Jericho, Undertaker, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton. And to go from that aaaaaaalllllllll the way to... The Miz and CM Punk is depressing.

As to why I dislike Punk, I've explained it many times before but I'll do it in the most brief way again. I just think he's overrated hype that is nowhere near as good as made out to be. Sloppy ring work, awful look, one dimensional promos and I just don't see anything in him that makes me care about him other than when he's shoved down my throat and handed the luxury of exploring behind the scenes stuff. I mean I can't even bring myself to care about The Rock right now as WWE Champion just because he's feuding with this dull motherfucker. (don't let my sig fool you) No matter how much they disappointed with some of the nonsense during the Cena/Rock feud, I always came back, excited for their segments every week. Now, I barely keep up with Raw and SD regardless of The Rock's presence and Punk is one of the biggest reasons why.
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Do you know what sloppy means though? his timing and execution is impeccable.
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Old 02-16-2013, 04:35 PM   #18215 (permalink)
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Punk's name belongs in the same vein of the main event as Orton, Benoit, and Jericho. Miz is out of place though, I'd agree with that.

It's unfortunate you've allowed your hate of Punk to get to such high levels it's causing you to not enjoy Rock either. I mean even Rock316AE is simply no-selling Punk in the feud, and hell, he's been no-selling Punk for months to the point I forget at times he hates Punk, and even question if he really does. I can't tell you to enjoy Punk/Rock if you don't, and you have every right to post to your heart's content how much Punk sucks to you, but let me ask, what are you accomplishing by doing so at this point? Everyone knows you hate Punk, it's no secret anymore. You don't enjoy him, so why post about him? I know you're better than trolls like Hawksea, or is that what this is? A constant troll effort? I'm all for good trolling as much of the next guy, but when it's on the same subject seemingly every single day of every week, it gets tiring.

But like I said, you're of course free to hate Punk all you want, but once again, what are you trying to accomplish by doing so?
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I'm not enjoying Rock... because he's The Rock . Seriously, guy has been shit in every match and every appearance since his return in 2011. I'm expecting his reign to be one of the worst in modern history. One bad match so far when he won the title, a bunch of awful promos, and I don't expect his EC match with Punk to be good, and if he's against Cena one on one at WM that has almost zero chance of being good too.
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I did not compare Miz with Punk, though. My point was that the main event of WM is very prestigious and only people who truly have the talent deserve it. In my opinion, Punk doesn't have that just like Miz doesn't even if Punk is way ahead in the ring.

I mean look at some of the names who have main evented WM: Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Stone Cold, The Rock, Triple H, Chris Jericho, Undertaker, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton. And to go from that aaaaaaalllllllll the way to... The Miz and CM Punk is depressing.

As to why I dislike Punk, I've explained it many times before but I'll do it in the most brief way again. I just think he's overrated hype that is nowhere near as good as made out to be. Sloppy ring work, awful look, one dimensional promos and I just don't see anything in him that makes me care about him other than when he's shoved down my throat and handed the luxury of exploring behind the scenes stuff. I mean I can't even bring myself to care about The Rock right now as WWE Champion just because he's feuding with this dull motherfucker. (don't let my sig fool you) No matter how much they disappointed with some of the nonsense during the Cena/Rock feud, I always came back, excited for their segments every week. Now, I barely keep up with Raw and SD regardless of The Rock's presence and Punk is one of the biggest reasons why.
Why are you blaming the performers for your misery of the current product. Blame the creative team, Vince McMahon, Kevin Dunn, etc because they are in charge of who gets pushed, determine the length of title reigns and determine what people say in their promos.

Plus the reason why Punk is being "shoved down your throat" is because Punk is currently one of WWE's biggest money makers especially in merchandise. That's what promoters of all kind do. It would be more surprising if promoters doesn't "shove a top star down people throats."

Plus. don't bring your personal animosities into this thread. Your last couple of posts are not needed in this thread as it could ruin this thread.

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Punk is the best overall talent in the company. Calling him overrated is one thing but I can't fathom the notion that the guy isn't talented.
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Do you know what sloppy means though? his timing and execution is impeccable.
Of course I do. I just don't like his offense. He doesn't have an organized wrestling style and I prefer the more clean styles. I mean, what is he? A high-flyer, a technician or a brawler? Or based on his finisher, a power wrestler? You understand what I mean? There can be instances where more than one type of wrestling style is meshed to perfection like Benoit (technique, power and speed plus flawless diving maneuvers) and Lesnar (power, agility and technician) but with Punk, it's done so sloppily, it makes it a less pleasant experience than I'd like for somebody who's mixing styles together. Another thing I don't like is his execution of certain moves. The Elbow Drop and Suicide Dive for instance. He is on point when it comes to selling and executing non-complex submission moves, though.

I still give him credit when it's due. For instance, I enjoyed the Rock match whereas most have bashed the fuck out of it in this thread.

And while we're on the topic of sloppy, I consider Cena the same with an undecided moveset where he may stick to his 5 moves of doom one match and bring out a long arsenal of other moves in a bigger match. In Cena's case, he usually REALLY brings it when it's time for it, though. So it's motivation that holds him back whereas with Punk, he simply is not my cup of tea but can still be enjoyable. It's like Cal with The Rock.

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Punk's name belongs in the same vein of the main event as Orton, Benoit, and Jericho. Miz is out of place though, I'd agree with that.

It's unfortunate you've allowed your hate of Punk to get to such high levels it's causing you to not enjoy Rock either. I mean even Rock316AE is simply no-selling Punk in the feud, and hell, he's been no-selling Punk for months to the point I forget at times he hates Punk, and even question if he really does. I can't tell you to enjoy Punk/Rock if you don't, and you have every right to post to your heart's content how much Punk sucks to you, but let me ask, what are you accomplishing by doing so at this point? Everyone knows you hate Punk, it's no secret anymore. You don't enjoy him, so why post about him? I know you're better than trolls like Hawksea, or is that what this is? A constant troll effort? I'm all for good trolling as much of the next guy, but when it's on the same subject seemingly every single day of every week, it gets tiring.

But like I said, you're of course free to hate Punk all you want, but once again, what are you trying to accomplish by doing so?
Punk's name in the same vein as Benoit... lol. But that's not the discussion here so I'll skip that.

For the rest of your post, I'm not trying to accomplish anything, really. It's just that Punk is such a focal point that it's hard to avoid talking about him or becoming a broken record. I mean, I don't like Zack Ryder but he's so irrelevant that I wont be surprised if most don't even realize that one thing about me. I will try to avoid talking about him in the future, though. Don't know what keeps me going but I just might start no-selling him. That sounds like a great idea and I'll try not to fall into the trap. Thankfully, I've started avoiding Punk topics a bit more frequently as I used to even lurk threads about his interviews and shit.
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I remember when I used to hate Orton on a similair level. What a waste of energy that was.

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NYR05 - ****3/4
SS02 - ****1/2
SD11 - ****1/4
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