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Old 02-16-2013, 02:32 PM   #18191 (permalink)
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Nope, I ain't got no love for Cena/Umaga LMS .
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Old 02-16-2013, 02:33 PM   #18192 (permalink)
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It really is a brilliant match, one of the underrated aspects of it being the opening sequence where Cena is throwing big fists at Shawn and Shawn is just ducking them and chopping the shit out of Cena. They made their storytelling clean and clear that Shawn is the determined veteran who is gaining a mean streak for this match, evidenced by the piledriver on the steps.

When you go back and watch it, Cena really doesn't get that much offense in at all and it becomes clear that Shawn is just going absolutely fucking HAM out there to make that match one of the GOAT. I have no idea why this match isn't talked about when it comes to the greatest Wrestlemania main events, and I know that gives away how I feel about it but DAMN. It's a top 5 Cena match and it DESTROYS their 2007 RAW match for sure.
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I was the original Cena/Umaga no lover damnit! You just copied my opinions .

Seriously though, I will never in a thousand years understand why that LMS match is so highly regarded, daft, slow as shit, terrible, terrible ending and just... dull.
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I was the original Cena/Umaga no lover damnit! You just copied my opinions .

Seriously though, I will never in a thousand years understand why that LMS match is so highly regarded, daft, slow as shit, terrible, terrible ending and just... dull.
If I'm gonna copy anyone's opinions, it might as well be from the BEST .
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The only thing that would make me NOT buy Wrestlemania this year would be if Punk never got a match against Taker, Lesnar, GAME, the alleged triple threat, etc. Granted there's like a 0.1 % chance of this happening because I highly doubt Taker sits out and even if he does I'm thinking they're going to do the triple threat because if you actually watch RAW, you'll notice that Punk is involved in like 5 big segments every single night.

As a matter of fact, Punk is involved in two different story arcs right now that they could go with ; he's involved with ROCK for the title, but at the same time he's involved vaguely with BROCK/HEYMAN/VINCE, and I'm pretty sure the latter arc will be the one that's continued after Elimination Chamber given that Punk and BROCK have had like NO INTERACTION WHATSOEVER.

Then again I think the fact that he has two story arcs could mean that The Undertaker is more banged up than we all originally thought and isn't confirmed for Mania, almost like a PLAN A; feud with Taker, and PLAN B feud with Rock/Cena type deal.
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Taker's my WOTY 2007, though Cena is a close number 2 and due to the fact Taker wasn't there half the year, I can understand someone putting Cena as number 1.

Taker though, he just didn't have a bad match, and all his PPV matches were great. RR 2007's ending is the most epic and best Rumble ending ever with HBK. The NWO tag match was full of awesomeness. WM23 was MOTY with Batista. BL he had an excellent LMS match with Batista, and then even the TV SD match was great, and Taker was injured during it. He comes back, and has another classic with Batista at Cyber Sunday (Taker/Austin in the same ring was ), an amazing cell match at SVS, and to end the year, a great triple threat with Batista and Edge.

But then you look at Cena and he was just killing it in matches (though I don't agree about him being the best mic worker... but he was a hell of a lot better than he is now). RR match against Umaga is GOAT LMS match. He was a part of that NWO tag match I mentioned in Taker's paragraph. WM23 he had an excellent main event with HBK. The BL07 four-way is GOAT Four-way match, not to mention he did have that classic match with HBK on Raw. Then Cena had to face Khali, and unfortunately no matter how good you are, you can't do justice with Khali. I mean I'd consider his LMS his best match with Taker, but even that was heavily edited and if I saw the un-edited match, that could change in an instant. But Cena did the best he could, and while JD was terrible, ONS was good for a Khali match (though still terrible). The 5-way at Vengeance was good fun, though not anywhere near the level of matches Cena was having before the Khali feud, it was a fun match. He gave Lashley his best WWE match at GAB and it was a great one at that. Summerslam against Orton was awesome, the Unforgiven match wasn't so good but it wasn't meant to be, and Cena was injured the last 2 months.

Taker still wins it for me, but like I said, Cena is close. Taker's individual performance in his matches is what ultimately does it for me, as no one touched him there, and that showed when he was just knocking off great match after great match. Cena unfortunately had to work with Khali, had a 5-way match that was good and fun, but not great, and a match with Orton at Unforgiven that was a feud advancer more than an actual match.

As for HBK, he had a great. A lot of the stuff I said for the first few months with Cena applies to him, as well as the whole ending RR with Taker. Then he fought Orton (at JD?) and was taken out. Match itself was forgettable. Same thing with the CS match when he returned. Survivor Series however he pulled out a damn near classic with Orton. Oh, and he did have an awesome tag against Rated RKO at the start of the year. That being said, HBK's 7 total months wasn't quite as impressive as Taker's imo, so it's an easy choice there, and Cena as a whole still did better than HBK, so I wouldn't put HBK anywhere near Taker and Cena for WOTY, though he'd probably be number 3.

Edit: HBK/Cena Raw >>>>>>>>>HBK/Cena WM23.
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Yeah, I don't see how WWE could have Punk hold the title for over a year and then snub him of a WrestleMania main event. Would be pretty lame on their part and also lame on his part for being content with it. I'm sticking with the triple threat for the title and Lesnar/Taker for WM.
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Don't forget Taker's Smackdown matches with Finlay and Henry in 2007. Good stuff right there.
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Great match with Kennedy on SD too, and a bunch of super fun tags with Batista against the likes of MVP, Kennedy, Finlay etc. There's a good Undertaker/Henry match though? Only remember their UF match that was... uhhh... not a classic .
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Thankfully the wait isn't that long. I think people are pissed off because the WWE has been cock-teasing us that we're NOT getting rematch-mania and giving people hope when we should know better than that by now .

If Rock/Cena can hold it's own, than I'm more than confident that Jericho/Ziggler, a HENRY match, The SHIELD vs ???, HHH/Lesnar, and Punk/Taker could make up one of the greatest shows ever unless they royally fuck shit up with match structure.
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