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Old 04-30-2012, 12:13 PM   #1801 (permalink)
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John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (4/29/2012)

"I'm not a superstar. I'm an ass kicker. I am Brock Lesnar."

Those 3 sentences are really all that needs to be said about this match because it sums it up perfectly. Since returning people have wondered what Lesnar was returning to the WWE and needless to say this ain't Lesnar the pro wrestler returning, it's Lesnar the MMA fighter. I can't sing enough praise to whomever decided to let Lesnar come back and be the ass kicking, MMA fighter. I was worried that the powers that be were gonna try to have Lesnar revert back to being a pro wrestler, but no, they let this dude go the whole nine yards (mouth guard, fight shorts, fighting gloves). Honestly, it might be one of the smartest things the company has done in years because at this point, nobody is paying to see Lesnar "wrestle", they wanna continue to see the fighter and ass kicker (just as Lesnar alluded to with his pre-match comments).

The match was fucking insane though, I think that's probably the best way I can put it. Absolutely bat shit insane. Lesnar just completely wrecks Cena for 15+ mins and to his credit, Cena bumps and sells for Lesnar like no other. Lesnar does an amazing job in his own right to make himself look like a badass motherfucker. Hell, a sick, badass motherfucker at that cause at point this dude was wiping Cena's blood on his chest and licking it off his gloves. Who's gonna want to fuck around with someone like that? However, as much credit as Lesnar deserves for getting himself over, Cena deserves just as much because he went out there, played company ambassador, and did what was good for business and that was help make Lesnar look like the unstoppable Terminator.

I also loved how Lesnar did basically one pro wrestling move the entire match (his finisher). Everything else he did was basically hard strikes or mat based wrestling holds (german suplex and the kimura) and it was perfect because again, this isn't Brock Lesnar the pro wrestler, it's Brock Lesnar the MMA fighter. It also made him look more badass and gave the match more 'authenticity', making the fans wonder if they were watching a work or a shoot. The ref bumps were an awesome touch too cause it helped put over the carnage of the match and the ruthlessness of Lesnar, and the doctor checks/stoppages were great too because it helped add the element of realness to the match and suspended disbelief to the audience.

And yeah, it was a botch, but Lesnar's crazy fucking dive actually ended up working into his favor. Not only did the match put over how badass and ruthless he is, but that dive got over how fucking crazy and unstable the dude is. Honestly, who's gonna wanna go against this unstoppable wrecking machine that'll just throws his beast of a body at you with zero disregard? Also, it just added another element of insanity to the match. The finish was the only thing that kind of sucked. Like I understand why Cena went over to extent, but he shouldn't have. Yeah, Lesnar looked like the Terminator while losing, but there's a reason James Cameron turned Arnold face in T2 and that's because nobody would buy into the Terminator still being heel after he ended up losing in the first movie. If anything, Cena should have went over via KO/TKO instead of pinfall. The audience has seen Lesnar lose legitimately via KO/TKO so if Cena were to have knocked Lesnar unconscious with that chain or whatever, it would have been much more believable and still kept Lesnar looking incredibly strong. You could have ran with the gimmick of the only way to stop this monster is to knock him out and built to another Cena/Lesnar match where Lesnar gets his win back. Just sloppy booking if you ask me, but still an absolutely insane match and one of the most entertaining things WWE has done in recent memory. ****3/4
I couldn't have said it any better myself. I personally didn't mind the finish though as it basically was Cena narrowly getting the upper-hand via a shot with the chain after a mistake by Lesnar then a quick AA on the steel steps. You could say that his long time away from pro wrestling lead to his loss. It didn't do any harm to Lesnar's credibility if you ask me. I might go the full ***** after another watch tbh.

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Old 04-30-2012, 12:17 PM   #1802 (permalink)
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I wonder if they will let Brock be as wreckless as he was last night. I mean he fucked up Cena pretty bad, take away the wrestling is 'fake' for a moment. Lesnar cut Cena head open within the opening minute and reports are that he has torn his bicep now and he pretty much raped Cena's arm throughout the match. Lesnar botch was pretty sick too, could of genuinely fucked himself up there.

Props to Cena for putting himself on the line last night, boo him all you want, but you have to give him credit. There were a lot more cheers when he decided to break kayfabe and talk to the crowd at the end too, hardly any boos. Respect to the most important man in the business, without him WWE would be a shittier place.
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Hopefully we get a Orton/Jericho feud befoe Y2J leaves , could be a great match and bring Orton up the card in preperation to face Lesnar at Summerslam.
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Hopefully we get a Orton/Jericho feud befoe Y2J leaves , could be a great match and bring Orton up the card in preperation to face Lesnar at Summerslam.
It'd make sense as the last time we saw Jericho before his return was when Orton punted him and Jericho could of course bring that up as the reason he wants fight Orton. I'd love to see a feud between the two.
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I wonder if they will let Brock be as wreckless as he was last night. I mean he fucked up Cena pretty bad, take away the wrestling is 'fake' for a moment. Lesnar cut Cena head open within the opening minute and reports are that he has torn his bicep now and he pretty much raped Cena's arm throughout the match. Lesnar botch was pretty sick too, could of genuinely fucked himself up there.

Props to Cena for putting himself on the line last night, boo him all you want, but you have to give him credit. There were a lot more cheers when he decided to break kayfabe and talk to the crowd at the end too, hardly any boos. Respect to the most important man in the business, without him WWE would be a shittier place.
These are exactly my thoughts here. I'm really interested to see what they do with Lesnar now, will they let him hit blows like that any more? He needs to be careful he doesn't seriously injure anyone.

Also, Cena adeserves so much props for taking that shit and carrying on. He came off as a tough motherfucker after that and his speech was great and genuine at the end. He deserves all the time off he needs because he went through a war at the ppv. Cena is the man.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:59 PM   #1806 (permalink)
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Extreme Rules sounds like a great show. Downloading now. Gonna re-watch HHH/Taker and Punk/Jericho from Mania as well. Make sure I have my MOTY ish in order.
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Finally got home from uni and watched Cena/Lesnar again. I'm still in shock lol. What a fucking match, seriously, what a fucking match! MOTN by a mile and that's saying a lot considering the quality of the other top 2 matches on the card. I might even have it joint with HHH/Taker for MOTY tbh. I'm going to watch it again later on lol. I just love it and Brock Lesnar is a legitimate fucking beast. The man could literally rip any man apart with his bare hands. Chaos.
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Questions for some of you....

I have not watched ER2012 yet but I'm excited to. I probably won't get my hands on it until it is out in stores. A few things....

I see why Cena won and all and I heard Brock beat the fuck out of him and blah blah but it sounds like Cena won clean? Im too busy and lazy to read through all of the posts (at work) to see how it went down but can someone sum up the finish for me and why Brock still comes out looking so strong despite losing to Cena? It just makes no sense to me for Brock to be talked up as this badass the last few weeks only to have him lose his first match back.

Am I missing something with Sheamus? Now I figured he would retain but why are they so high on this guy? I find him boring as fuck and with as over as Bryan is I heard he didnt look very strong? Thats just what Im hearing from buddies I have who watched the show. Sheamus has a terrible finisher (a big boot to the face...ooooooooo) and zero charisma or mic skills. Now he is a good worker and has the look sure but I can't wait until Barrett is healthy and takes the WHC from him. Maybe its just me.

What is next for Punk feud wise? I assume the Punk/Jericho feud is over. I mean they could have a Jericho needs to win or retire match at the next ppv or MitB with Jericho winning and Punk could win the title back at Summerslam or something? IDK. With Dolph and Miz jobbing to Brodus and Santino (WTF?) who is going to step up and challenge Punk for the belt now? As much as I like Punk it made sense last night for Jericho to win the title in Punk's hometown and build Jericho up even more as the mega douchebag heel he plays to perfection only to build up Punk even more with him winning it back this summer.
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Just finished watching Punk/Jericho and thought it was great, come on here and see rave reviews for Lesnar/Cena and Sheamus/Bryan as well. I'm very excited to watch these two matches now. I have Jericho/Punk at ****1/4.
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:21 PM   #1810 (permalink)
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A while back I remember a discussion in here about what makes a 5* match a 5* match? People were talking about just getting 'the feeling' from it. I find it impossible to rate Cena/Lesnar compared to other matches because I don't think there's anything to compare it to. Based on that and considering the fact that I was legit stunned and still am after watching it, I think I might give it the full 5. I got 'the feeling' lol.
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