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Old 04-30-2012, 10:17 AM   #1791 (permalink)
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I still think they would have had time if they took out the Clay segment and shortened the pointless diva tag match.Furthermore, I think having that as a strong opening match would have helped the following matches as the '18 seconds' match really hurt the crowd for the 1st hour imo.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:21 AM   #1792 (permalink)
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The thing is with their WM 28 match is that they could afford to get away with it being 18 seconds because 1. It's Wrestlemania, people will buy regardless 2. HIAC match 3. You probably had the biggest match ever Rock/Cena.
So fans can see into the future now? lol. In all seriousness, you make a good point, three (maybe just two) matches carried carried Mania, the rest were an irrelavance. Having said that, the shit that was pulled at Mania could have put off hardcore Bryan Marks from ordering future pay per views, maybe a drop in the ocean but still money down the shitter.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:32 AM   #1793 (permalink)
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I still think they would have had time if they took out the Clay segment and shortened the pointless diva tag match.Furthermore, I think having that as a strong opening match would have helped the following matches as the '18 seconds' match really hurt the crowd for the 1st hour imo.
I think it was stupid, don't get me wrong especially when it's a World Heavyweight Title Match. Fair enough if it's Kane/Chavo for the ECW title, no one cared about that. I would have loved a decent 10-15 minute bout at Mania.

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So fans can see into the future now? lol. In all seriousness, you make a good point, three (maybe just two) matches carried carried Mania, the rest were an irrelavance. Having said that, the shit that was pulled at Mania could have put off hardcore Bryan Marks from ordering future pay per views, maybe a drop in the ocean but still money down the shitter.
No one saw the 18 second match coming but like I said it's Mania, they were going to pull in the buyrates because of that and the HIAC, Rock/Cena so making the match 1 second or 20 minutes wouldn't have made a difference.

Vince doesn't care if your pissed off, any of us for that matter. It's all about the money, and that match wasn't the money maker. Extreme Rules however was a different story.
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I think it was stupid, don't get me wrong especially when it's a World Heavyweight Title Match. Fair enough if it's Kane/Chavo for the ECW title, no one cared about that. I would have loved a decent 10-15 minute bout at Mania.



No one saw the 18 second match coming but like I said it's Mania, they were going to pull in the buyrates because of that and the HIAC, Rock/Cena so making the match 1 second or 20 minutes wouldn't have made a difference.

Vince doesn't care if your pissed off, any of us for that matter. It's all about the money, and that match wasn't the money maker. Extreme Rules however was a different story.
Vince will care if fans are pissed off enough to stop spending money, hence why I said that it might have effected some fans decision to order Extreme Rules. If some fans' only motivation to order the pay per view was Bryan vs Sheamus then they might have thought twice before commiting to spend money on something that could well dissapoint them again. Yeah, Mania is selling regardless of dumb booking, barring a complete lack of star power/match quality.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:08 AM   #1795 (permalink)
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WWE Extreme Rules - Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus
This was great stuff with a very good story told. Bryan was made to look fucking awesome here, and he delivered, imo, one of his best performances of his career. He was so good at wearing down Sheamus at first by going after anything he could including the arm and the neck to soften him up for the Yes Lock after the quick back and forth start with Bryan using his quickness and Sheamus even trying a new submission to combat Bryans. Awesome workover segment that lasted a long time but it was so entertaining because Bryan knows how to do that and keep things fresh and interesting by adding in little things like bending the fingers and the arm in brutal looking ways. I really liked the booking of the first two falls with Bryan relentlessly kicking Sheamus in the arm and not letting up even when he was in the ropes. Bryans reaction after made it even better as he knew he could win the fall back with the Yes Lock and thats exactly what he did. Sheamus was given time to recover with the rest period as he was attended to by medics and whatever else WWE likes to call them, and that allowed him to make his comeback which was really good. The only downside was the finish was slightly anti-climatic with Sheamus simply making a comeback and winning with only one real nearfall on Bryan but that didn't take away from the rest which was absolutely top notch. Bryans performance was awesome and he gave Sheamus the best match of his career to date. ****1/4

I missed the last part of Punk/Jericho but I was digging it quite a bit, I'll have to rewatch later today as well as Brock/Cena as I missed the beginning. What I did see though seemed very surreal in an awesome kind of way.
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Wow, I think I am the only one, here, that really really hate Cena/Lesnar. Sure, its fun to see Lesnar being a beast and giving Cena, the beating of a lifetime, but at that point, I was just bored of it, at the 15 min. mark, and that Cena being SuperCena in the end did not help at all. Am I missing something?
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John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (4/29/2012)

"I'm not a superstar. I'm an ass kicker. I am Brock Lesnar."

Those 3 sentences are really all that needs to be said about this match because it sums it up perfectly. Since returning people have wondered what Lesnar was returning to the WWE and needless to say this ain't Lesnar the pro wrestler returning, it's Lesnar the MMA fighter. I can't sing enough praise to whomever decided to let Lesnar come back and be the ass kicking, MMA fighter. I was worried that the powers that be were gonna try to have Lesnar revert back to being a pro wrestler, but no, they let this dude go the whole nine yards (mouth guard, fight shorts, fighting gloves). Honestly, it might be one of the smartest things the company has done in years because at this point, nobody is paying to see Lesnar "wrestle", they wanna continue to see the fighter and ass kicker (just as Lesnar alluded to with his pre-match comments).

The match was fucking insane though, I think that's probably the best way I can put it. Absolutely bat shit insane. Lesnar just completely wrecks Cena for 15+ mins and to his credit, Cena bumps and sells for Lesnar like no other. Lesnar does an amazing job in his own right to make himself look like a badass motherfucker. Hell, a sick, badass motherfucker at that cause at point this dude was wiping Cena's blood on his chest and licking it off his gloves. Who's gonna want to fuck around with someone like that? However, as much credit as Lesnar deserves for getting himself over, Cena deserves just as much because he went out there, played company ambassador, and did what was good for business and that was help make Lesnar look like the unstoppable Terminator.

I also loved how Lesnar did basically one pro wrestling move the entire match (his finisher). Everything else he did was basically hard strikes or mat based wrestling holds (german suplex and the kimura) and it was perfect because again, this isn't Brock Lesnar the pro wrestler, it's Brock Lesnar the MMA fighter. It also made him look more badass and gave the match more 'authenticity', making the fans wonder if they were watching a work or a shoot. The ref bumps were an awesome touch too cause it helped put over the carnage of the match and the ruthlessness of Lesnar, and the doctor checks/stoppages were great too because it helped add the element of realness to the match and suspended disbelief to the audience.

And yeah, it was a botch, but Lesnar's crazy fucking dive actually ended up working into his favor. Not only did the match put over how badass and ruthless he is, but that dive got over how fucking crazy and unstable the dude is. Honestly, who's gonna wanna go against this unstoppable wrecking machine that'll just throws his beast of a body at you with zero disregard? Also, it just added another element of insanity to the match. The finish was the only thing that kind of sucked. Like I understand why Cena went over to extent, but he shouldn't have. Yeah, Lesnar looked like the Terminator while losing, but there's a reason James Cameron turned Arnold face in T2 and that's because nobody would buy into the Terminator still being heel after he ended up losing in the first movie. If anything, Cena should have went over via KO/TKO instead of pinfall. The audience has seen Lesnar lose legitimately via KO/TKO so if Cena were to have knocked Lesnar unconscious with that chain or whatever, it would have been much more believable and still kept Lesnar looking incredibly strong. You could have ran with the gimmick of the only way to stop this monster is to knock him out and built to another Cena/Lesnar match where Lesnar gets his win back. Just sloppy booking if you ask me, but still an absolutely insane match and one of the most entertaining things WWE has done in recent memory. ****3/4
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John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar (4/29/2012)

"I'm not a superstar. I'm an ass kicker. I am Brock Lesnar."

Those 3 sentences are really all that needs to be said about this match because it sums it up perfectly. Since returning people have wondered what Lesnar was returning to the WWE and needless to say this ain't Lesnar the pro wrestler returning, it's Lesnar the MMA fighter. I can't sing enough praise to whomever decided to let Lesnar come back and be the ass kicking, MMA fighter. I was worried that the powers that be were gonna try to have Lesnar revert back to being a pro wrestler, but no, they let this dude go the whole nine yards (mouth guard, fight shorts, fighting gloves). Honestly, it might be one of the smartest things the company has done in years because at this point, nobody is paying to see Lesnar "wrestle", they wanna continue to see the fighter and ass kicker (just as Lesnar alluded to with his pre-match comments).

The match was fucking insane though, I think that's probably the best way I can put it. Absolutely bat shit insane. Lesnar just completely wrecks Cena for 15+ mins and to his credit, Cena bumps and sells for Lesnar like no other. Lesnar does an amazing job in his own right to make himself look like a badass motherfucker. Hell, a sick, badass motherfucker at that cause at point this dude was wiping Cena's blood on his chest and licking it off his gloves. Who's gonna want to fuck around with someone like that? However, as much credit as Lesnar deserves for getting himself over, Cena deserves just as much because he went out there, played company ambassador, and did what was good for business and that was help make Lesnar look like the unstoppable Terminator.

I also loved how Lesnar did basically one pro wrestling move the entire match (his finisher). Everything else he did was basically hard strikes or mat based wrestling holds (german suplex and the kimura) and it was perfect because again, this isn't Brock Lesnar the pro wrestler, it's Brock Lesnar the MMA fighter. It also made him look more badass and gave the match more 'authenticity', making the fans wonder if they were watching a work or a shoot. The ref bumps were an awesome touch too cause it helped put over the carnage of the match and the ruthlessness of Lesnar, and the doctor checks/stoppages were great too because it helped add the element of realness to the match and suspended disbelief to the audience.

And yeah, it was a botch, but Lesnar's crazy fucking dive actually ended up working into his favor. Not only did the match put over how badass and ruthless he is, but that dive got over how fucking crazy and unstable the dude is. Honestly, who's gonna wanna go against this unstoppable wrecking machine that'll just throws his beast of a body at you with zero disregard? Also, it just added another element of insanity to the match. The finish was the only thing that kind of sucked. Like I understand why Cena went over to extent, but he shouldn't have. Yeah, Lesnar looked like the Terminator while losing, but there's a reason James Cameron turned Arnold face in T2 and that's because nobody would buy into the Terminator still being heel after he ended up losing in the first movie. If anything, Cena should have went over via KO/TKO instead of pinfall. The audience has seen Lesnar lose legitimately via KO/TKO so if Cena were to have knocked Lesnar unconscious with that chain or whatever, it would have been much more believable and still kept Lesnar looking incredibly strong. You could have ran with the gimmick of the only way to stop this monster is to knock him out and built to another Cena/Lesnar match where Lesnar gets his win back. Just sloppy booking if you ask me, but still an absolutely insane match and one of the most entertaining things WWE has done in recent memory. ****3/4
This is a fantastic post and a great read regardless of your opinions, which I just happen to agree with, every single word. Remind me to rep you, need to spread some. Redead was right about you guys, some fucking good posts in here, going to stick around here from now on.
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Randy Orton vs. Kane - ***1/4
Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan - ****
CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho - ***1/2
John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar - ****1/2
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Sheamus/Bryan and Punk/Jericho were awesome too.
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