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Old 04-30-2012, 08:21 AM   #1781 (permalink)
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Wow! What a brilliant PPV. After a good WM they followed it up with an even better show!

Orton/Kane ***
Brodus/Ziggler *1/2
Rhodes/Show **
Bryan/Sheamus ****1/4
Ryback/Jobbers 1/2*
Punk/Jericho ****1/4
Layla/Bella *
Lesnar/Cena ****1/2


Awesome show, the main events all delivered fantastically, the undercard was fun, it felt like an old school PPV which I loved.

Lesnar should of won but I dont mind too much, it would of been a squash if Lesnar had won pretty much, and Cena's win was not exactly his normal comeback, he smashed Lesnar in the face with a steel chain and dropped him on the steel steps with an FU, it made Lesnar look a monster and Cena still looks strong for whenever he comes back.

Punk v Jericho was a sick sick sick match, I loved that both men got in equal offence and Punk delivered a great underdog performance. Punk botched the rope jump but it made sense as you can just say he saw Jericho with the kendo stick and then stumbled.

Bryan v Sheamus was a star making match, absolutely awesome that they gave these guys 20 plus minutes.

2 Great PPV's in a row, lets see if they can make it 3 in a row with Over The Limit.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:14 AM   #1782 (permalink)
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I don't understand why they can't make faces tap out. A complete different environment but it would be like if GSP got put into an armbar and just let his arm break instead of tapping. Makes the submission look weaker than the person would if they were to tap, imo.

About to watch Extreme Rules and I'm pretty hyped. Caught most of the main event but that's it.
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I don't understand why they can't make faces tap out. A complete different environment but it would be like if GSP got put into an armbar and just let his arm break instead of tapping. Makes the submission look weaker than the person would if they were to tap, imo.

About to watch Extreme Rules and I'm pretty hyped. Caught most of the main event but that's it.
Comparing UFC to pro graps, really? WWE are trying to put over their wrestlers first and foremost, the moves are secondary to that.

The whole point is that a huge babyface not tapping makes him courageous and is a simple tactic to get the marks on his side. Look at Austin at WrestleMania XIII against Bret, that changed his career forever. John Cena has made a whole career based on the 'never give up' mentality. Guys like Hogan never tapped either. You may question it but it has been proved to work well over the years.
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Comparing UFC to pro graps, really? WWE are trying to put over their wrestlers first and foremost, the moves are secondary to that.

The whole point is that a huge babyface not tapping makes him courageous and is a simple tactic to get the marks on his side. Look at Austin at WrestleMania XIII against Bret, that changed his career forever. John Cena has made a whole career based on the 'never give up' mentality. Guys like Hogan never tapped either. You may question it but it has been proved to work well over the years.
Small comparison, tbh. It's really the only one I could think of.

That's true, it's certainly worked over the years. I just think it would do a good job of making guys with the submissions deadlier if main event faces tapped. Say Cena faces Bryan, despite the fact that they're on two different levels, let's say they're not. Let's say Bryan goes on to become some huge main event heel. If he's to face Cena, it's hard to think that Bryan could make Cena tap which leads me to believe that Cena would clearly be winning.

What I'm trying to say is it doesn't do it for me because if a guy like Cena or Taker gets put into a submission, the match isn't ending.

Doesn't bother me on a rewatch of a match but watching it live it does sometimes.
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John Cena vs Brock Lesnar - ****1/4

The match felt surreal and it was brutal.My MOTY after Taker/HHH.
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Small comparison, tbh. It's really the only one I could think of.

That's true, it's certainly worked over the years. I just think it would do a good job of making guys with the submissions deadlier if main event faces tapped. Say Cena faces Bryan, despite the fact that they're on two different levels, let's say they're not. Let's say Bryan goes on to become some huge main event heel. If he's to face Cena, it's hard to think that Bryan could make Cena tap which leads me to believe that Cena would clearly be winning.

What I'm trying to say is it doesn't do it for me because if a guy like Cena or Taker gets put into a submission, the match isn't ending.

Doesn't bother me on a rewatch of a match but watching it live it does sometimes.
Yeah, can be annoying if you understand what's going on, but we're not Vince's target audience, the hordes of children/marks that like to follow a hero. WWE's first interest isn't artistic integrity, just making stars that can draw money. HHH managed to become a mega heel without making the top faces tap, didn't hurt him.
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Extreme Rules 2012

Sheamus vs. Daniel Bryan - ****

Certainly need to re-watch this. I did really enjoy the match and the gimmick word well with these two. I think this match really showed off how great Bryan really is. Despite Sheamus being a fantastic worker, there were parts where Bryan outshone him. Bryan brings a different move set to the table and he always seems unique in the ring especially when attempting submission moves, it's really refreshing.

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Kane/Orton - **1/4
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Really good show with 3 real great matches. Have the 3 main events at **** .


Just makes me looked more disappointingly at WM 28 if we could have had a Bryan/Sheamus match it would have really made it a great WM.
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The thing is with their WM 28 match is that they could afford to get away with it being 18 seconds because 1. It's Wrestlemania, people will buy regardless 2. HIAC match 3. You probably had the biggest match ever Rock/Cena.
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Haven't done it in awhile, but I'll be back later with a Lesnar/Cena review.
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