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Old 02-11-2013, 04:28 PM   #17641 (permalink)
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Okay, change of mood - what are your top 10 WORST PPV matches (from WWE and WCW respectively)?
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Old 02-11-2013, 04:31 PM   #17642 (permalink)
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True, more matches. And alot more matches like Giant Gonzalez, King Kong Bundy, Snuka, Sid, Bossman, etc.
For Taker vs. HBK for Mr. Wrestlemania, it's tough. I mean during the earlier years, Taker was severely limited by his gimmick. HBK's match out-did Taker in all those Wrestlemania's except WM14, which I'd put Taker/Kane above Austin/HBK, though in fairness to Michaels, he was injured.

WM24 and WM23 I'd say Taker/Batista and Taker/Edge comfortably beat HBK/Cena and HBK/Flair. For WM22, both their matches sucked, and I'm not honestly sure which I'd put above the other. WM21 HBK/Angle does beat Taker/Orton, but it's close. WM20 the triple threat clearly beats Taker/Kane, and WM19 the HBK/Jericho match destroys the handicap match Taker was involved in.

As far as match quality goes, I'd give it to HBK as where even in later years Taker had a few stinkers, HBK only had one (and it was with Vince McMahon, so you can't blame him), and ultimately while Taker's WM23 and WM24 matches beat HBK's respective matches on the same card, HBK's matches with Jericho and Razor are even better than those, and those matches are the respective best Taker/HBK matches for each individual, though Taker and HBK are each other's best opponent.

But Taker due to his streak in combination with his resume of matches has always felt like more of a staple to Mania, or at least has since WM20, so to say who is really Mr. Wrestlemania when all things are considered, it's tough. There's also a case for Hulk Hogan since along with WWE, Wrestlemania became a huge success in great part due to Hogan, and he has plenty of historic moments and even some great matches with Warrior and Savage. I wouldn't personally pick him, but the case is there.

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For Taker vs. HBK for Mr. Wrestlemania, it's tough. I mean during the earlier years, Taker was severely limited by his gimmick. HBK's match out-did Taker in all those Wrestlemania's except WM14, which I'd put Taker/Kane above Austin/HBK, though in fairness to Michaels, he was injured.

WM24 and WM23 I'd say Taker/Batista and Taker/Edge comfortably beat HBK/Cena and HBK/Flair. For WM22, both their matches sucked, and I'm not honestly sure which I'd put above the other. WM21 HBK/Angle does beat Taker/Orton, but it's close. WM20 the triple threat clearly beats Taker/Kane, and WM19 the HBK/Jericho match destroys the handicap match Taker was involved in.

As far as match quality goes, I'd give it to HBK as where even in later years Taker had a few stinkers, HBK only had one (and it was with Vince McMahon, so you can't blame him), and ultimately while Taker's WM23 and WM24 matches beat HBK's respective matches on the same card, HBK's matches with Jericho and Razor are even better than those, and those matches are the respective best Taker/HBK matches for each individual, though Taker and HBK are each other's best opponent.
Well said. Think you said it even better than I did, haha. For the record, I'm not trying to say Taker hasn't had some very good to great 'Mania matches, he clearly has. In fact, I'd say in terms of match quality he's in 2nd place (not an insult at all) right behind HBK in terms of match quality at WM. I just wish he was alittle bit younger OR alittle bit less beat up so he could continue to wrestle at WM for the next 10 years.

Hell, how about HBK and 'Taker come back at every WM these next few years and wrestle eachother. If Taker could pull it off healthwise, I'd be all for it.
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Yep, if you don't like two of the best of all time going at it in their prime, then that's what it is.
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Yep, if you don't like two of the best of all time going at it in their prime, then that's what it is.
just a shame the Survivor Series '97 match couldn't have gone on longer, as I think that was probably their best match against eachother...
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just a shame the Survivor Series '97 match couldn't have gone on longer, as I think that was probably their best match against eachother...
Yeah, would have been nice. To be honest, I go back on forth on that match. Sometimes I like it for what it is. But sometimes when I watch it's just all over the place. But I guess given the circumstances of that match, it was good for what it was.
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First 30 minutes were utterly pointless. HBK works Bret's arm. Then they hit the 30 minute mark and randomly decide to pick up the pace. Bret forgets that his arm was worked on. HBK never goes back to it. So glad they spent the first half of the match with that.

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True, but it was a broken hand. It's not like Bret had a broken arm/shoulder going into the ironman match, kayfabe.
Yea but a broken arm wouldn't stop him from pulling one thing off if you bring adrenaline into the equation.

Or he forgot for a moment.


And it's obvious that Undertaker is Mr. Wrestlemania.
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The HBK/Hart Ironman match was sixty minutes of bullshit.
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Yea but a broken arm wouldn't stop him from pulling one thing off if you bring adrenaline into the equation.

Or he forgot for a moment.


And it's obvious that Undertaker is Mr. Wrestlemania.

A broken arm wouldn't stop someone from chokeslamming Brock Lesnar?



Yeah, that's the ticket.

And it's obvious the Undertaker is Mr. Wrestlemania if you're going by W/L record. Otherwise, um, no.
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