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Not in my order, just his order with my stars

1. vs. Shawn Michaels, WrestleMania 25 (*****)
2. vs. Triple H, WrestleMania 28 (****3/4)
3. vs. Shawn Michaels, WrestleMania 26 (*****)
4. w/Team WWF vs. Team Alliance, Survivor Series 2001 (****1/2)
5. vs. Kurt Angle, No Way Out 2006 (****3/4)
6. vs. The Rock vs. Kurt Angle, Vengeance 2002 (****)
7. vs. Brock Lesnar, No Mercy 2002 (****3/4)
8. vs. Edge, SummerSlam 2008 (****)
9. vs. Batista, WrestleMania 23 (****1/2)
10. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2001 (****1/2)
11. vs. Edge, WrestleMania 24 (****1/2)
12. vs. Edge vs. Triple H vs. The Big Show vs. Jeff Hardy vs. Vladimir Kozlov, No Way Out 2009 (***1/2)
13. vs. Kurt Angle vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Rock vs. Triple H vs. Rikishi, Armageddon 2000 (****)
14. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2002 (****1/2)
15. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2007 (****1/4)
16. vs. Triple H, WrestleMania 17 (****1/4)
17. vs. CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho vs. Rey Mysterio vs. John Morrison vs. R-Truth, Elimination Chamber 2010 (***1/4)
18. vs. Batista, Survivor Series 2007 (****1/4)
19. vs. Randy Orton, Armageddon 2005 (****1/2)
20. vs. Batista, Backlash 2007 (****1/4)
21. vs. Batista, Cyber Sunday 2007 (****1/2)
22. vs. Randy Orton, WrestleMania 21 (****1/4)
23. vs. Edge, One Night Stand 2008 (*1/2)
24. w/Kane vs. The Two Man Powertrip, Backlash 2001 (****1/4)
25. vs. Brock Lesnar, Unforgiven 2002 (****)
26. vs. JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero vs. Booker T, Armageddon 2004 (***1/4)
27. vs. Batista vs. Edge, Armageddon 2007 (***3/4)
28. vs. John Cena, Vengeance 2003 (***1/2)
29. vs. The Big Show, Cyber Sunday 2008 (***3/4)
30. w/Stone Cold Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, Kane & Kurt Angle vs. Booker T, DDP, The Dudley Boyz & Rhyno, Invasion 2001 (***3/4)
31. vs. The Big Show, No Mercy 2008 (***3/4)
32. vs. Ric Flair, WrestleMania 28 (****1/4)
33. w/Batista vs. John Cena & Shawn Michaels, No Way Out 2007 (****1/4)
34. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2008 (***3/4)
35. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2009 (****1/4)
36. vs. The Big Show, No Way Out 2003 (***)
37. vs. Randy Orton, SummerSlam 2005 (****1/4)
38. vs. Edge, Backlash 2008 (****)
39. vs. Edge, Judgment Day 2008 (***3/4)
40. 30-Man Royal Rumble, Royal Rumble 2003 (***3/4)
41. vs. MVP vs. Batista vs. Finlay vs. The Great Khali vs. Big Daddy V, No Way Out 2008 (***1/2)
42. vs. Rob Van Dam, Vengeance 2001 (***1/2)
43. vs. Rey Mysterio, Royal Rumble 2010 (***)
44. vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin, Judgment Day 2001 (***3/4)
45. vs. The Rock vs. Kane vs. Chris Benoit, Unforgiven 2000 (**1/2)
46. vs. Chris Jericho vs. The Big Show, Survivor Series 2009 (***)
47. vs. Chris Benoit, Rebellion 2000 (**1/2)
48. vs. Kurt Angle, Survivor Series 2000 (***1/2)
49. vs. CM Punk vs. Batista vs. Rey Mysterio, Bragging Rights 2009 (***)
50. vs. Triple H, Insurrextion 2002 (**)
51. vs. Test, SummerSlam 2002 (**3/4)
52. w/Kane vs. The Dudley Boyz vs. E&C, No Way Out 2001 (***1/4)
53. vs. Brock Lesnar, No Mercy 2003 (***1/2)
54. vs. JBL, No Mercy 2004 (****1/4)
55. vs. Mr. Kennedy, Armageddon 2006 (***1/2)
56. vs. Mr. Kennedy, Survivor Series 2006 (***1/2)
57. vs. Randy Orton & Bob Orton, No Mercy 2005 (****1/4)
58. vs. The Rock, No Way Out 2002 (****)
59. vs. Booker T, No Mercy 2001 (**)
60. vs. CM Punk, Hell In A Cell 2009 (***1/2)
61. vs. Mark Henry, WrestleMania 22 (**3/4)
62. vs. The A-Train, SummerSlam 2003 (***)
63. vs. Mr. Kennedy, No Mercy 2006 (****1/4)
64. vs. Kane, Night Of Champions 2010 (***)
65. vs. Heidenreich, Survivor Series 2004 (****)
66. vs. The Big Show & The A-Train, WrestleMania 19 (**3/4)
67. vs. Mark Henry, Unforgiven 2007 (1/4*)
68. vs. CM Punk, Breaking Point 2009 (**1/2)
69. vs. Booker T, Judgment Day 2004 (**)
70. vs. Vince McMahon, Survivor Series 2003 (**)
71. vs. Kane, WrestleMania 20 (**1/2)
72. vs. Kane, Bragging Rights 2010 (*)
73. vs. The Two Man Powertrip, Insurrextion 2001 (**)
74. vs. JBL, SummerSlam 2004 (***1/2)
75. vs. Heidenreich, Royal Rumble 2005 (***1/2)
76. vs. Kurt Angle, Fully Loaded 2000 (*)
77. vs. Batista, TLC 2009 (**)
78. vs. Muhammad Hassan, The Great American Bash 2005 (**)
79. vs. Kane, SummerSlam 2000 (1/2*)
80. vs. The Big Show, Survivor Series 2008 (*)
81. vs. Kane, Hell In A Cell 2010 (*)
82. w/Kane vs. DDP & Chris Kanyon, SummerSlam 2001 (**)
83. vs. Triple H, King Of The Ring 2002 (NEVER HAPPENED)
84. vs. The Big Show, The Great American Bash 2006 (**3/4)
85. w/The Rock & Kane vs. Triple H & The McMahons, King Of The Ring 2000 (**1/2)
86. vs. Hulk Hogan, Judgment Day 2002 (**1/2)
87. vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin, Backlash 2002 (****)
88. vs. The Dudley Boyz, The Great American Bash 2004 (**)
89. vs. Luther Reigns, No Way Out 2005 (DUD)
90. vs. The Great Khali, Judgment Day 2006 (1/4*)
91. w/Kane vs. KroniK, Unforgiven 2001 (DUD)
I know my list certainly is far from agreeable, and opinions are opinions, but **** for THAT match? Crazy opinion but OK then
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:32 PM   #17592 (permalink)
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It took me and the others just over a year to do a top 100 list. We'd likely have been adding some shitty matches at the end if we did 1000 lol. And it would have taken us a lot longer .

EDIT: I think I've only ever seen ONE person like that match as much as me .
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Cena's WM matches:
vs Big Show - WM20 - ★★
vs JBL - WM21 - ★★
vs Triple H - WM22 - ★★★★
vs HBK - WM23 - ★★★
vs Orton vs HHH - WM24 - ★★★
vs Edge vs Show - WM25 - ★★★
vs Batista - WM26 - ★★★
vs MOZ - WM27 - ★
vs ROCK - WM28 - ★★★★

Top 5 WHY TWO JAY:
vs BENOIT - RR01 - ★★★★
w/ BENOIT vs POWER TRIP - Raw - ★★★★
vs HHH - FL00 - ★★★★
TLC III - SD01 - ★★★★
vs ROCK - NM01 - ★★★★

Might have to rewatch ladder match with HBK to rerate. Had it at ★★★★ last time.

Top 5 ROCK:
vs AUSTIN - WM17 - ★★★★★
vs BENOIT - FL00 - ★★★★
vs HHH - BL00 - ★★★★
vs AUSTIN - WM19 - ★★★★
vs ANGLE vs TAKER - VEN02 - ★★★★

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The Undertaker Vs Steve Austin - Backlash 2002

This match isn't the main event for the PPV, but it has that big match feel to it that I love so much. Flair is the special referee for starters, the crowd are hot, and both guys involved are 2 of the biggest names EVER. They stare each other down as the bell rings, and then they are ready to go!

Undertaker was in his Big Evil heel persona during this time, and was always looking to get people to respect him, and to prove that he was the biggest and the best superstar in the world. So instead of going toe to toe with Austin in a brawl, he locks him in a head lock to CONTROL him instead, then knocks him down with a shoulder block. Austin is dazed, and goes to the outside to recover.

Austin now goes for a head lock to try and control the Dead Man, and then goes for a shoulder block of his own but 'Taker doesn't budge, instead just taunts the Rattle Snake and looks pretty pleased with himself. Austin retaliates by dropping down for some push ups, and the crowd pops.

We go back to the headlock, and again Undertaker looks to go for a shoulder block, but Austin counters with a huge right hand, knocking 'Taker down, then gives him the finger! Then Austin looks to want a test of strength, but when Undertaker accepts, Austin gives him the finger again! Undertaker is pisses and runs at Austin, only to get a couple of arm drags before Austin takes the match to the mat, where he was so damn successful in the previous year.

Just an awesome, awesome way to start this match off imo. Loved every second of it, which is why I felt I had to go all play by play to fully explain it.

With Austin out-wrestling him, Undertaker decides to make this match a brawl by dropping Austin with a right hand and then going to work on Austin's arm. Its not long before they end up on the outside with a very back and forth brawl.

When you have 2 great brawlers in Austin and Undertaker just going nuts, its hard for it to NOT be good. Right hands are been thrown constantly, heads are bouncing off announce tables just as often, and its still as back and forth as you can get until the NWO show up on the ramp and manage to distract Austin long enough for Undertaker to fully take advantage.

Now that 'Taker is in firm control, he can transition from brawling into a more methodical approach, which would most likely work better against a guy like Austin who can easily match 'Taker at brawling. He starts with the knees, then when he has him down, targets the back and neck of Austin which is the weakest part of Austin's body no doubt. The leg work comes back to help Undertaker at points too, as he can quickly kick it whenever Austin tries to mount an offence. Everything done by Undertaker in this match so far has been incredible smart.

The Texas Rattle Snake doesn't give up though, and when Undertaker takes off one of the turnbuckle pads, he sees an opportunity to get back into the match. One Irish Whip reversal later, and Undertaker goes back first into the exposed turnbuckle and Austin gets a second wind! Flair ends up getting knocked down just as Austin finally hits the Stunner. Awww, poor Austin hasn't won .

By the time Flair is back up, Undertaker has cheated his way back in control, and very nearly wins with a Chokeslam! In comes a steel chair, but Flair takes it away from him and Austin uses the chair distraction to get payback and cheat HIS way back in control!

Another Stunner coming up, but this time Undertaker counters it and Flair is down again! The chair comes into play, but still Austin refuses to stay down (watching this live I was sure Austin was going to win to begin with, but after he kicked out of a Chokeslam AND that steel chair shot, I didn't think the Dead Man had a chance).

The steel chair comes into play AGAIN, but Austin moves out of the way and is about to use it himself... until BAM. Big Boot from The Undertaker, and the chair goes right into the face of Austin! The cover is made, Flair counts 3, but Austin's foot was on the ropes! Flair didn't notice, so Undertaker gets the win and becomes the #1 contender for Judgment Day!



Ok, loved this match even more this time around. Not enough to make me up my already "high" rating compared to everyone else, but enough to make me actually consider it for my top 100 list, which is wasn't originally going to be on. Honestly, don't see why people hate on this match at all. It never gets boring, and it didn't seem long at all when I watched it. Undertaker wrestled an extremely smart match, and Austin, well... Austin really was burnt out by this time, and while he wasn't terrible in the match, far from it even, but it was definitely an Undertaker match all the way in terms of performance and who I remember the most in the match.

Rating: ****1/4

Turns out I gave it MORE than **** lol!
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CAL, you crazy mother fucker.

I'd never be able to do a top 100 unless it was all PPV matches (which will probably happen over the next year TBH) for the simple reason that I CAN indeed watch every single PPV match in WWF/WWE history. I'm crazy and obsessed in the sense that if I'm doing a top 100 or a top list of ANYTHING I need to see EVERYTHING. Take a CELL matches list ; I'd need to see every single damn cell match in order for me to rate my top five seriously.

If I took in count TV matches I would be YEARS going through various shows, which would probably drive me crazy as some point so it's gonna be a PPV only list from me if you're gonna get the most HONEST attempt out of me. I'm already over halfways done the MANIAS, now I have to go but the other anthology sets to start that ish
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That Backlash match is pretty good IMO. I did have a laugh watching it, though, as walk around the ring quite a bit in slow pace. ★★★ IIRC.
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... Triple H mark.

I have no idea if I'd ever be able to do a top 1000 list... Maybe a few years down the road when I've amassed so much footage that every single WWF/WWE match I could ever want to watch is at my fingertips, THEN I'll probably do something like that.

I'm just curious ; is this top 1000 FAVORITE or top 1000 BEST ? Like, will you try and watch every single classic match that has been rated above 4 stars from the likes of Backlund and such, or is this a FAVORITE type deal (or , of course, a best of list with DATE CONSTRAINTS)
Frankly, I don't think I'll get to 1,000, because whether I've watched that many matches or not, it's already getting really tough to remember some great matches. I'm trying to make it to 500 at least, and we'll see what happens from there.

My list though is primarily stuff I grew up with, since, as I've mentioned somewhere recently, I just find it hard to go back and watch older matches. A guy like Backlund, while I've heard many great things and even seen a couple of matches, isn't someone I personally care for, even to watch what many consider his greatest matches and in some cases the greatest matches of all time. I'm gonna be as objective as I can, and when it comes to superstars that'll be clear (hopefully), but not as it relates to time, since matches from the last 15 years will be a lot more numerous on the list than matches prior. I'm not a "wrestling mark" either, so that's another reason it's harder to go back and watch older stuff, or stuff in general that isn't rated ****+, especially if it's something like an hour long, which is why I may not even get to watching the hour long Flair/Steamboat match, which I know you consider the best. Hell, I may just make this a pure WWF/WWE list, just because those Flair/Steamboat matches will probably be the only outside WWE matches I'd have. I don't care to watch even ****1/2 matches from NWA, ROH, TNA, and the likes, so yeah.

So yeah, it's not going to be a true definitive list of all time, but it's not going to be a true "favorites list" either. Just the best within the realm of stuff I've watched/have the motivation to watch. Some of the TV matches in the ***3/4-**** range I haven't really seen since they aired, and there are some from the early 2000's.

Also, still waiting on those other lists. Or how about just a top 10 for each year since 1998, or top 5 for each if you can't think of 10. Just trying to get some ideas of matches I may have missed.
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Fuck can SOMEBODY tell me how many WWF/WWE PPVs there has been as of now, and how many I CAN'T acquire legally (I'm assuming OTE 99 being the lone exception) ? I have about 80 percent of PPVs from 2002 onward so I would assume I'm almost halfway there. Would be cool to own every single one ; go region free for the shows I can't get in North America of course
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Jack Swagger Vs Finlay - ECW Title Match - No Way Out 15/02/2009

Been a long time since I saw this match, and despite their previous matches and the fact I'm a fan of both, I never liked it. Wonder if that will change.

The crowd REALLY don't give a fuck about this. Hate crowds like this that are dead unless someone is using a weapon or diving off a ladder.

Similar spot to their last match with Finlay crashing into the middle turnbuckle and getting hurt, allowing Swagger to target the arm of the Irishman.

I know I complained about the crowd, but I guess they have a point here. This IS kinda dull. I'm staring to think I won't like this much still once its over lol.

Match just feels really slow and sluggish, even when they pick up the pace at a couple of points. Hornswoggle randomly tries to get involved, but it distracts Finlay and Swagger picks up the win.

Wow. This wasn't good at all. The worst ECW match I've watched from 2009 so far, and its a PPV match lol.

Rating: *
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LESNAR-FINLAY.

Make it happen Vince, you magnificent bastard. .

Hope BROCK destroys somebody else on RAW tonight, preferably MIZ again or SIN CARA.
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