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Old 04-29-2012, 02:59 PM   #1751 (permalink)
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You guys need to check out The Miz vs Alex Riley from the recent Superstars. Think I may be becoming a Riley fan after that great performance.
I caught the tail end of that, but honestly I was too shell-shocked by the fact that the man that main evented last year's Wrestlemania was literally main-eventing Superstars. Against an opponent that has has weight, no less; there's substance in a Miz vs Alex Riley match, and there it is, on Superstars.

But it's the same with me, I did wonder why people hated on Riley for his ring skills back when he was relevant. He did a lovely job.


Soon I think I'll (re)watch the matches on the new Edge set. There are some favourites of mine on there and I wonder how they'll hold up because it's been a long time since I've watched them. Would have really loved to see his Ric Flair ladder match on here, but apparently they were really pressed for time on this set. Oh well.
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Old 04-29-2012, 03:11 PM   #1752 (permalink)
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Despite being a huge Triple H mark from back in the day, his matches in 2003 were generally so bad that even I began to kind of tire of him to an extent, but that was a rather terrible year overall and especially on Raw with all of the old, nearly immobile WCW guys going up against Triple H at probably his worst in-ring condition for almost the whole damned year. It's interesting that one of the better matches was at Wrestlemania XIX against Booker T, for a variety of reasons: (a) it's always been shit on for the finish; (b) both guys, Booker in general and Triple H at this time, were largely reliant on the work of their opponent, and yet they both actually meshed rather well in the ring; (c) it was almost treated like a midcard match at Wrestlemania that year while Rock/Austin, Hogan/McMahon and to a lesser extent Lesnar/Angle and Jericho/Michaels all kind of overshadowed it, even with it being for Raw's world championship.

As for the question posed by KingCal, I think the Triple H of 2000 could have practically had at least a very watchable match with almost anybody. The guy worked miracles that year; everyone lists his PPV work, and rightly so, but some forget his TV work. I don't think anybody ever quite made Rikishi look like a million bucks in a one-on-one match the way Triple H did with apparent ease. I still remember Triple H working a match with Bob Holly on Sunday Night Heat at that time. Not to say Holly was some kind of awful worker or anything but Trips put on a hell of a match with him. He even worked the miracle of getting something decent on TV out of Billy Gunn, I think in the first couple months of 2001? His match with TAKA stands as something of a mini-classic, haha.

I'm sure the Triple H of that time period, pre-quad tear, would have at least yielded something okay, even out of Scott freakin' Steiner (although he would have had to bump like an SOB for him, but still). That's how supreme Trips was in the ring in 2000-first five months of 2001 before the quad tear. Trips in 2002-2003 was just too heavy. As much as I admire and love him as a performer, I honestly believe he actually improved most dramatically after the second quad tear. He came back lighter, more mobile and was suddenly much more like the Triple H pre-first quad tear. That isn't to say he didn't put on some fine, even classic matches during that very long stretch of time between quad tears, because he did, but it really did take that Raw match with HBK to close out an otherwise underwhelming 2003 for Triple H to start to come back in the ring. He then put on some damned good matches with guys like Shelton Benjamin, HBK and Benoit which at least gave him some "mojo" back.
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So I just watched Cena vs Batista WM 26 for the first time and I'm really surprised that I enjoyed this match. I really, really, really enjoyed this match- A LOT. There was some great back and forth action and the crowd really made it special as well. They were hot throughout and were really into it.

I gotta give it to these two, they went out there and delivered a hell of a performance. After watching this match, I don't know how anyone could say Cena and Batista are terrible in ring workers. Here we have the two supposedly worst in ring main event workers delivering one of the night's and possibly year's most exciting matches. There was no CM Punk carry Cena or any Undertaker to Batista. These were the two guys who supposedly needed someone to carry them to a good match yet somehow despite their shitty ability to structure a match with anyone but one of the GOATs, they delivered.

I'm not going to lie though. There were tons of botches in this match. Most notably the DDT by Batista, Cena fumbling to get Batista up in the AA after a series of reversals and the badly timed spinebuster when Cena jumped off the rope. But given the size of both men, I don't think there's any other way to do it but botching. I'm not defending it but I'm just saying it if were a Rey Mysterio or heck even a CM Punk flying off the top rope, I'm pretty sure Batista would have caught them easily.

Anyway, why it wasn't the best hold for hold match it did tell a damn great story and had some of the best false finishers I've ever seen.

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Despite being a huge Triple H mark from back in the day, his matches in 2003 were generally so bad that even I began to kind of tire of him to an extent, but that was a rather terrible year overall and especially on Raw with all of the old, nearly immobile WCW guys going up against Triple H at probably his worst in-ring condition for almost the whole damned year. It's interesting that one of the better matches was at Wrestlemania XIX against Booker T, for a variety of reasons: (a) it's always been shit on for the finish; (b) both guys, Booker in general and Triple H at this time, were largely reliant on the work of their opponent, and yet they both actually meshed rather well in the ring; (c) it was almost treated like a midcard match at Wrestlemania that year while Rock/Austin, Hogan/McMahon and to a lesser extent Lesnar/Angle and Jericho/Michaels all kind of overshadowed it, even with it being for Raw's world championship.

As for the question posed by KingCal, I think the Triple H of 2000 could have practically had at least a very watchable match with almost anybody. The guy worked miracles that year; everyone lists his PPV work, and rightly so, but some forget his TV work. I don't think anybody ever quite made Rikishi look like a million bucks in a one-on-one match the way Triple H did with apparent ease. I still remember Triple H working a match with Bob Holly on Sunday Night Heat at that time. Not to say Holly was some kind of awful worker or anything but Trips put on a hell of a match with him. He even worked the miracle of getting something decent on TV out of Billy Gunn, I think in the first couple months of 2001? His match with TAKA stands as something of a mini-classic, haha.

I'm sure the Triple H of that time period, pre-quad tear, would have at least yielded something okay, even out of Scott freakin' Steiner (although he would have had to bump like an SOB for him, but still). That's how supreme Trips was in the ring in 2000-first five months of 2001 before the quad tear. Trips in 2002-2003 was just too heavy. As much as I admire and love him as a performer, I honestly believe he actually improved most dramatically after the second quad tear. He came back lighter, more mobile and was suddenly much more like the Triple H pre-first quad tear. That isn't to say he didn't put on some fine, even classic matches during that very long stretch of time between quad tears, because he did, but it really did take that Raw match with HBK to close out an otherwise underwhelming 2003 for Triple H to start to come back in the ring. He then put on some damned good matches with guys like Shelton Benjamin, HBK and Benoit which at least gave him some "mojo" back.
I can't comment on the TV matches from 2000-2001 as I really don't know/remember a lot of them as I probably haven't watched them since they aired if at all. I will say though while his PPV matches were classic and I'm not trying to discount his work in 2000, look at who he was facing throughout the year. Foley who in the environment he (HHH) worked with him in is a master in the ring. Rock and HHH have always had some of the best in ring chemistry so no surprise even with Rock not being that great in ring, they pulled out the classics they did. Jericho has always been a top notch worker. Then there's Angle, Benoit, both great technical wrestlers.

So I think it's something to think about. I'm not saying anyone could've produced the same quality of matches under the circumstances HHH had in 2000, but he had a hell of a lot of great people to work with. 2002-2003 was like the polar opposite of 2000-2001. The former he was terrible and worked with terrible wrestlers for the most part, while the latter he was great in the ring and worked with great wrestlers/people he had great chemistry with.

Like I said, can't comment on TV matches.
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So I just watched Cena vs Batista WM 26 for the first time and I'm really surprised that I enjoyed this match. I really, really, really enjoyed this match- A LOT. There was some great back and forth action and the crowd really made it special as well. They were hot throughout and were really into it.

I gotta give it to these two, they went out there and delivered a hell of a performance. After watching this match, I don't know how anyone could say Cena and Batista are terrible in ring workers. Here we have the two supposedly worst in ring main event workers delivering one of the night's and possibly year's most exciting matches. There was no CM Punk carry Cena or any Undertaker to Batista. These were the two guys who supposedly needed someone to carry them to a good match yet somehow despite their shitty ability to structure a match with anyone but one of the GOATs, they delivered.

I'm not going to lie though. There were tons of botches in this match. Most notably the DDT by Batista, Cena fumbling to get Batista up in the AA after a series of reversals and the badly timed spinebuster when Cena jumped off the rope. But given the size of both men, I don't think there's any other way to do it but botching. I'm not defending it but I'm just saying it if were a Rey Mysterio or heck even a CM Punk flying off the top rope, I'm pretty sure Batista would have caught them easily.

Anyway, why it wasn't the best hold for hold match it did tell a damn great story and had some of the best false finishers I've ever seen.

***3/4
I actually watched this again a couple of days ago, and enjoyed it a lot more than I used to. I think my problem was that it seemed to have no middle. It was all build up and finishers. I didn't like the fact that it was only 13 1/2 minutes long. Batista vs. John Cena for the WWE Title should be epic, not play second banana to UT/HBK. They could have gone another five minutes and it wouldn't have deflated the crowd any.

However, this really is an impressive match given the competitors. The story of power vs. wrestling early on was very nice, Batista was such a good heel, and as botchy as that ddt was, it played perfectly into the match.

The finishing sequence is really great. Batista countering the AA into a batista bomb, Cena first countering the batista bomb into an stf, Cena countering the powerslam into HUGE AA, and the genius of Cena rolling out of the BB into an stf. I wasn't big on Cena making Batista submit, but no finish could have been better.

For a junior main event, I enjoyed this a lot more, maybe even more than their SummerSlam match.

I mostly agree: ***1/2
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just watched HBK vs John Cena at wrestlemania 23

i think it was a better match then some people think, it had all the aspects you need for a good main event on one hand you have john cena, the superstar of the wwe, WWE Champion the man at the time( and still on top of the company to this day) he never quits, against The showstopper Mr Wrestlemania Shawn Michaels.

i thought at one point shawn was actually going go over with the win, but i then rethought and it makes sense, Trips put Cena over the year before so im assuming shawn thought just like everyone else that cena is that guy to take the wwe higher and he wanted to pull a great match with cena, the ending was perfect imo having cena tap shawn out to the stfu the same move that trips lost to, and im not a cena mark or anything but when he lifted that title at the end of the night and pyro going off what a way to end wrestlemania, the match had high flying , brawling just a good match in general

id say: *** 1/2
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Extreme Rules = PPV of the Year

Orton vs. Kane - ***1/2
Cody vs. Show - Lot of fun, love the result
Bryan vs. Sheamus - ****1/4
Punk vs. Jericho - ****
Brock vs. Cena - TOO AWESOME FOR STARS
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ER Ratings (first watch):

1) Kane vs. Orton- Need to rewatch, wasn't paying much attention. It looked like a fun match, but not sure on a rating.

2) Rhodes vs. Show- Once again, need to rewatch. Wasn't paying much attention.

3) Bryan vs. Sheamus- ****- Excellent match. Loved the action, psychology, and the crowd was great as well which is always a nice plus. The ending was a bit bland but overall a great match.

4)Clay vs. Ziggler- *- Meh, better than I expected. Still bad though.

5) Punk vs. Jericho- ****1/4- MOTN, MOTY thus far, and tops their match for that at Mania. Just an awesome, pretty brutal match (that was actually outshined in brutality by the next match) that was a nice end to this Punk/Jericho drunk angle. Good shit.

6) Lesnar vs. Cena- ****- I loved the match, but hated the end. This match felt very real, it was very hard hitting, and Lesnar was looking like the unstoppable monster he was built up as throughout. Then the ending happened, and that was all thrown out the window. Still though the match was a lot of fun and damn Cena's arm looked fucked up... not to mention his head gushing blood. It was as real as you're going to get in WWE I think... besides the ending which as I said, was ridiculous.
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Fucking awesome PPV, with a FANTASTIC trio of main events.

I'm seriously considering giving the full five to Punk/Jericho, but then again, I'm generally really generous with my snowflakes.

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