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Old 04-29-2012, 11:35 AM   #1741 (permalink)
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Standard of opponents and the fact he had a quad injury if I'm not mistaken has to be taken into account, could anyone have a stellar year working with Steiner, Nash, Goldberg?
It was mostly his character work that I enjoyed in 2003 but his matches weren't as bad as some people make out imo.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:39 AM   #1742 (permalink)
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Would of been exactly the same imo.

2000

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Not only that but in 2000 all those guys were pretty much in their prime too.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:42 AM   #1743 (permalink)
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He might have been able to do something a little better had he been in his prime when working those guys in 02/03.
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:07 PM   #1744 (permalink)
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Why do people hat the HHH/HBK 3SoH match so much? I haven't watched it since like 5 years and don't really know anymore all the stuff that happens there, so can somebody please explain why it's so bad?
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:27 PM   #1745 (permalink)
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I think he would have done better ring wise but not by a lot tbh. I don't think anybody would have been able to have a stellar year feuding with these guys for the majority of it, no less injured as well. I'm not excusing him but it is something to consider. The actual storylines weren't atrocious by any means. All that posedown and push up contest shut with Steiner was actually rather enjoyable when you take it for what it is lol. But his ringwork that year IS atrocious for all the reasons already discussed. I do intend to go back and watch all the good stuff afterwards btw. I just thought I'd do HHH's year first and get the shit out of the way lol.

As for 02 vs. 03, I'd say 02 was definitely better, if not for the matches but for the return, the Rumble win etc etc. He had stuff to actually work with there and was hot as hell at the start of the year. Then by the Summer he had HBK to work with and the beginnings of Evolution towards the end of the year. 03 he literally had shit to work with and because he wasn't at 100%, he wasn't able to offset the shitness if that makes sense lol.
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Old 04-29-2012, 12:42 PM   #1746 (permalink)
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Because of this discussion I went back and watched HHH v Goldberg from Unforgiven
By no means is this a terrible match

Get the negatives out of the way first - Goldberg didn't sell the sledgehammer at all and only sold the leg beatdown for about a minute and the crowd weren't amazing

On the positive side though, they told a story; Goldberg being the powerhouse and HHH trying to keep him off his feet and attacking the legs, there were some good power exchanges and a great spear reversal by HHH

I'd give it ***1/2, nowhere near the greatest match that has ever been but also nowhere near a dud match

One thing that hurt the match imo were the stipulations because it was obvious from the beginning who was winning
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I love how Flair existing makes those Steiner matches better.
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You guys need to check out The Miz vs Alex Riley from the recent Superstars. Think I may be becoming a Riley fan after that great performance.
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The Twisted, Distubed Life of Kane - Disc 3

No Disqualification Match: Shawn Michaels vs. Kane - ***1/4

No Holds Barred Match: Kane vs. Gene Snitsky - **1/4

Steel Cage Match: Kane vs. Edge - ***1/2

Stretcher Match: Kane vs. Edge - ***1/4

Kane vs. Umaga - *3/4

The Undertaker & Kane vs. King Booker & Finlay - ***

Kane vs. King Booker - ***

Belfast Brawl: Kane vs. Finlay - ***1/2

Champion vs. Champion: The Undertaker vs. Kane - **1/4


Really fun set. I love Kane is always put in grudge feuds that utilize different stipulation matches: w/ Edge, Gene Snitsky, MVP, etc. The series with Edge was so much fun. I love their Vengeance '05 match, but I had no idea the cage match was such a blast. The stretcher match is a nice blow-off, too. Their four matches in 2005 were a great little series.

Wish they had chosen another match with Umaga: this one was short and pointless.

The Belfast Brawl completely surprised me. It's almost twice as long as their SummerSlam match and so much fun. Great psychology by Finlay, great brawling, weapons, and I was genunitely surprised by the ending. No surprise that the best match involved Finlay.

The match with UT is a nice bonus, but unfortunately, it ends literally as soon as it gets going. They were clearly building up to something, but I guess since they were both faces, WWE didn't want them getting too brutal. Good way to get over the heels by having them interrupt a match before it really starts. Still nice to see them wrestle as faces, and even cooler to see it ten years after their first match, and rounding out the set.
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Why do people hat the HHH/HBK 3SoH match so much? I haven't watched it since like 5 years and don't really know anymore all the stuff that happens there, so can somebody please explain why it's so bad?
Watched it a week or two ago. Excellent match, I didn't know people hated it. Not what it could have been but it was a fun match. One of the best spots has to be Shawn hitting HHH with the barbwire that's set on fire and then the crowd chants "HOLY SHIT!". The involvement of Ric Flair was pretty funny, though. On the steel cage part, it was so obvious that he was setting up tables for a spot saved for the ladder part at the end.

Just DLed Edge's DVD, gotta check it out soon!
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