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Old 02-10-2013, 05:04 PM   #17401 (permalink)
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Could some of the people in here (thinking Haley, Cal, Choke2Death, etc but any input would be appreciated) give me their lists for the best WWE ppvs from 2002-2013 please? I want to raid silvervision because they have a closing down sale going on right now, so I want to make some shrewd investments...

Best meaning either for the quality of matches, cards as a whole for the execution of angles or even a combination of both. Thanks in advance.
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2003: Backlash, Vengeance, No Mercy, Survivor Series (Recommended matches are Angle/Benoit from Rumble, Big Show/Taker from No Way Out, Show vs Lesnar from Judgment Day, Lesnar vs Angle and Fatal Four Way from SummerSlam, Orton vs Michaels from Unforgiven and Orton vs RVD from Armageddon)

2004: Backlash, Survivor Series (Recommended matches from the rest includes Royal Rumble itself, Lesnar/Eddie and Angle/Show/Cena from No Way Out, Benoit/HHH/HBK from Wrestlemania 20, Eddie/JBL from Judgment Day, Benoit/Kane from Bad Blood, Orton/Edge and Benoit/HHH from Vengeance, Benoit/Orton from SummerSlam, Fatal Four Way from Armageddon)

2005: Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania 21, Judgment Day, One Night Stand, Vengeance, SummerSlam, No Mercy, Survivor Series (Recommended matches are Elimination Chamber from New Year's Revolution, Benoit/Edge & Shelton/Jericho from Backlash, Matt Hardy/Edge from Unforgiven, Flair/HHH from Taboo Tuesday and Orton/Undertaker from Armageddon)

2006: No Way Out, Wrestlemania 22 (Recommended matches are Elimination Chamber and Big Show/HHH from New Year's Revolution)

2011: Elimination Chamber, Extreme Rules, SummerSlam (Recommended match is Christian/Orton from Over the Limit)

2012: Wrestlemania 28, Extreme Rules (Recommended match are Cena/Punk from Night of Champions and Show/Sheamus from HIAC)

Note that on 2006, I'm only about to reach Backlash so I'm not finished yet. And I also intentionally skipped most of 2012 so there are others who can help you more on that one.
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Great post ATF! I agree with you on a lot of ratings, though as KingOfKings said I'd definitely have the HIAC match with Nash from BB '03 higher up. I enjoy that a lot and Foley as the ref is a lot of fun.

I also have a soft spot for the WM18 match against Jericho. I think it gets bad rep because of the dead crowd and Hogan/Rock earlier in the night, but it's a decent match and with a better crowd it would be remembered more fondly I reckon.

I personally wouldn't have the WM28 match against 'Taker at the #3 spot as I think that's slightly high, but obviously a great match.

And just got to add the lols at the bottom two matches being those 2 against Steiner. Damn were they awful haha.

Again, great post. You've reminded me of a few matches I haven't watched in ages that I am off to watch now!
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YES ! A FUCKING TRIPLE H LIST ! That was the first huge project I ever did, except I watched EVERY GAME PPV match inclduing his Starrcade match where he jobbed to Alex Wright (which was actually a pretty damn good match) , so I'm going to rate this list as follows ;

Three Overrated

1. vs Shawn Michaels @ RR 04 ; Yeah I know, I've trashed this match enough in my tenure here but it needs to be said that I believe this is one of the worst gimmick matches GAME has ever had in his career, and perhaps the shining example of how retarded HBK and GAME can be sometimes in the ring (SEE ; Armageddon 2002). There's literally NO middle portion to this match as they transition from an overly long feeling out sequence to an underwhelming climax. Just BLEH.

2. vs Edge vs Big Show vs Kozlov vs Hardy vs Undertaker @ NWO 09 ; I REALLY don't know about this one. I thought it was a pretty good chamber and I'd probably put it around the likes of three and a quarter but DAMN does it not hold up in standards to the likes of NYR 05 and SS 02. Again ; I'm choosing the matches that we're off by a pretty long amount by and these are one of those matches.

3. vs Shawn Michaels @ BB 04 ; I actually really like this match, but four and a half stars is pretty ridiculous all things considered. The OMGZEPICNESS attempts returned and the overkill astounded me, but I thought it had a nice slow build and a good payoff at the end... It was good but not CLASSIC good, not even close IMO.

We were off by 1/4* - 3/4* on a nice few of these matches but that's pretty minor in my book, seems like we agree on alof of these matches TBH.


Three Underrated

1. vs Kevin Nash @ TLC 11 & BB 03 : I'm dead serious about this ; these matches are fucking awesome. Not awesome as in four stars awesome, but I'd go about a full star higher on both of them due to their pretty awesome storytelling. People like to say that these matches are slow, plodding, and boring but they're just looking past how awesome these two can work at times (Fuck you JD 03 match, you suck balls) ; slow, deliberate pacing mixed with great psychology. Both are pretty damn awesome and I might even have the BB 03 cell over the BB 04 cell.

2. vs Batista @ Backlash 2005 ; I love this match. Seriously, the whole "you're afraid of the pedigree" story just fucking rocks as Batista tries to avoid that shit like it's the plague. Would be a classic if it wasn't for Batista's insistence of destroying a whole match's worth of back worth with his damned power moves. LEGIT I'd have this far, far higher.

3. vs Booker T @ WM XIX ; I didn't rewatch this yet so god knows how right you could be, but this was a near classic encounter on last watch , and I'm willing to bet if Booker won it wouldn't have soured in a few people's minds like it has over the years. Reminds me of the WM 2000 main event in the sense that people remember who won on the biggest stage and choose to remember the match that way when it should be remembered as a fantastic contest.

Three Things You're Spot On About

1. The Ric Flair LMS > Ric Flair Cage. I have them both at four and a quarter but the Last Man Standing just does it for me. Trips and Flair in 2005 had this way about them where they could almost wrestle a throwback NWA style match from the 80s and I believe that the LMS match is the closest we've gotten to that style in a very long time. Don't get me wrong, I fucking LOVE the cage match but that Last man standing is something else.

2. That Two Man Power Trip vs Brothers of Destruction tag from Backlash 2001 is fucking awesome and everybody should watch it ; being 100 percent legit on that right now.

3. THANK GOD somebody mentions how horrendous Hogan-GAME is. I'd personally have it even lower but to see somebody have that match so low on a list makes me smile a little bit.

Something We DO NOT agree on

Triple H vs Shawn Michaels @ Armageddon 02 is one of my all time favorite matches. Seriously, it is and I think everybody should watch it RIGHT NOW... However, the match is fucking HORRENDOUS and that's what makes it so awesome. Pointless to no psychology, bad storytelling, Flair running in for a quick bladejob, mindless weapon shots and OMGZEPICNESS attempts... It amazes me how bad the match is yet how fun it is and how I've watched it like 10 times by now. It's such a batshit crazy match that reminds me of an ECW shit-fest that I don't know whether to applaud it's stupidity or cry because of it. It would NOT be that damn high on my list though

Overall though, mad props for making a GAME list first.

THE GAME .
This was quite hard to complete, thanks for the props. Now adressin' your points~:

- Both the HHH vs HBK 04 matches I'm actually biased about, because they're both crucial part of my 1st two wrestling PPV's (been watching since late 04). The RR LMS indeed doesn't have A middle sequence, but it has tons of drama to make up, and DEM BLADEJOBS, which even for HBK and HHH standards were quite gruesome. The BB HIAC gets bad rep, mainly I guess for it being almost an hour. There was enough face smashing and Pedigrees and brutal weapon spots to make time fly for me. Sure it may not have been as fun as it would've had it been 20 mins, or even 30, but what the hell (see what I did here?).

- As far as Armageddon 02, it's kinda like a NASCAR race without protection - technically sound? Not even close. More like the ignition for the drivers' accidental suicides. But would it be fun to watch? Oh hell yeah. Tons, tons of fun.

- The NWO 09 match had a terrific atmosphere, superb booking, and awesome big-time action. It felt big from the get go as well with that much starpower, and I'll agree that Kozlov did bring the match a whole lot down, but other than his brief position, this was great. The Taker vs Hunter finale reminded me of the RR 07 in that its two last participants would engage in two insane wars 2 years later at WrestleMania.

- The BB 03 match is meh to me. It wasn't terrible, but I just couldn't get behind it. Whereas the TLC 11 match was only that low because I ranked the list on the match quality aspect mostly - had it been the OMFGNEVERSAWTHISMATCHBEINGTHISFUCKINGGOOD my #1 aspect, it would've unquestionably been #1

- The WM 19 I felt like it was typical HHH of 2003. Sloppy, boring, dull in ways. The Harlem Hangover was GOAT tho. It's pretty much the Angle vs Roode of WM, as in they royally screwed Booker considering all the build. And it didn't have Angle vs Roode quality either.

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Cody you are a fucking LEGEND. The bolded also made me (although I already have it).

EDIT- I have taken out the ones that I already own (apart from the Mania XIX name drop ). I'm definitely not interested in any one match events events either (dailymotion), but I appreciate the effort none the less .
The single matches I listed were for you to head over to dailymotion to check out.

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Is edge vs. orton from vengeance 04 worth watching? Saw some reviews from 411 and they have it at around ***-***1/2 star mark.
****1/2

It's stellar.

Oh, and Triple H vs Undertaker vs Big Show vs Jeff Hardy vs Edge vs Vladimir Koslov Elimination Chamber isn't too special. Not bad, but nothing to go "OMG" for. ***1/4
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Nash vs GAME from Bad Blood is just awful. Way too boring although nowhere near as bad as their Judgment Day match. The TLC match was fun, though.

And on the topic of Benoit and tag matches, I always find it goofy when he's on the apron and clapping his hands. Some of that goofy side of him we didn't see very often.
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HHH vs Nash HIAC kind of rocks. And rolls.

Good match. I dig the TOOLBOX & CRATE coming into play.
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Know I'm late, but top 10 SD matches:

1) Lesnar vs. Angle WWE Title Ironman match 2003
2) Undertaker vs. Angle WWE Title 2003
3) Austin vs. Benoit WWE Title 2001
4) Undertaker vs. Angle WWE Title 2006
5) Undertaker vs. Orton 2005
6) Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio June 2005
7) Lesnar vs. Benoit WWE Title 2003
8) John Morrison vs. Rey Mysterio IC Title 2009
9) Chris Benoit vs. Randy Orton 1/27/2006 (No Holds Barred)
10) Undertaker vs. Cena 2004

Edit: All Nash/HHH matches are abysmal, though the HIAC is the least bad.
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I'm in minority when I say HIAC was worst and JD was better, maybe after seeing the beyond overlooked Insurrextion 03 Street Fight I was too Goddamn dissapointed at what I was getting
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I'd say Extreme Rules was the best Pay Per View in 2012 and it might not even be close. You had three ****+ matches on the show in Jericho/Punk, Bryan/Sheamus, and BORK/Cena.
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Funny how the HHH match I decide to praise is the one getting crapped on right now.

I don't see how it's bad. I've seen matches go 88 miles per hour in wrestling and bore me way more. Slow pacing has never been something to turn me off of a match.
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