*pokes head into thread*
My top 5 WM worst matches:
5. Taker vs Sid Justice
4. Taker vs Giant Gonzales
3. John Cena vs The Miz
2. Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg
1. Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan
I wouldn't call Bryan/Sheamus a contender for worst WM match.
It wasn't excruciatingly bad and the hatred inherently stems not from their wrestling but from the mere fact that Sheamus won within the first half of a minute. It was hardly even a match. Of course the match deserves a DUD rating but the DUD is merely because there wasn't any wrestling to critique as opposed to a heap of shit that deserves the title of a dud.
Mr T/Roddy Piper WM 2
Butch/Luke Vs The Rouques WM 5
Andre Vs Hogan WM 3
Andre Vs Roberts WM 5
Those are all worse matches that actually got time.
Taker vs. Brock No Mercy 2002 HIAC - ****3/4
Quite a high review.
I don't quite remember the match so well but what I do remember of it was that it was excruciatingly violent at the expense of psychology/logic/selling. I think I also preferred their chain match, too. Jeez, 10 years is a long-ass time.
No-one really appreciates old school wrestling for the agility and athleticism though, like I have no qualms with you not digging it, its cool. We all have different tastes and that's what makes for fun discussion as opposed to everyone pimping the same thing.
To me the beauty of old school wrestling is the simplicity. The structure, the timing, the pacing, the character dynamics all work to overcome the largely simplistic wrestling. Ric Flair didn't wrestle matches 100 other guys couldn't of in terms of bumps and offence, but it was his ability to time and make each transition and sequence matter in the greater context, combined with his injection of his charisma and presence into his matches to create a compelling babyface vs heel dynamic. The beauty of Windham/Flair and Steamboat/Flair is how the rookie naivety of Windham plays into every transition into Flair offence, and in Steamboat's case its the matter of two equals duelling and timing each transition in a way that makes both look magnificent.
Don't even get me started on the beauty of 80s blood baths. The grainy footage can be hard to watch but I adore its visual. Makes everything look seedly, raw and insanely violent especially when you've got people like Lawler, Duggan, Sawyer and Dundee pouring blood and stiffing the crap out of each other. The reactions they can generate from simple punching and selling is incredible and whilst the majority of the brawls are punch and kick based...it comes off as an authentic brawl. I'm not a fan of the modern generation of weapons and props having to compensate for the ability to just punch a dude you dislike square in the jaw and draw blood. Its all in the simplicity and characteristics between the moves that makes 70s and 80s old school wrestling so enigmatic.
As I said though, you not digging it is cool. We're all different and that's what makes this thread so interesting.
Great post that captures the very essence of old school wrasslin' in a nut shell.
I can understand where HWRP is coming from, though. It's a completely different style of wrestling to what the Americas are now. We've become complacent with elbows, lariats or punches not being effective moves outside of transition sequences. Pinfalls follow viscerally high-impact moves and the very nature of the wrestler's moveset is completely changed. If you buy into what wrestling of today tells you is the threshold someone can sustain you will have a hard time trying to justify the finishing moves of these matches, imo. I had that exact problem, admittedly, with both Puro and "golden-era" wrestling. I must have switched off Flair/Steamboat (Chi-Town) a good few times before finally getting in to it (
The nature of a move, in terms of its threat, is continually being challenged as wrestling ages. Only a few moves remain completely protected and as more and more wrestlers kick-out of finishers/dangerous moves the more a newer match needs to add to it in creating a believable finisher. Of course not everyone takes this to cuntingly annoying volumes but I'd say the transition is taking effect in the American indies and NOAH. Now, while you could correctly argue that RoH-spam or NOAH/Kenta do not comprise of (or accurately portray) the worldwide wrestling scene, the issue is that they weren't always like this. The very fact of this conversation is proof that wrestling does transition and I'm worried for the integrity of wrestling if that's where the path is heading.
But, I suppose, fans were saying the same thing whenever that transition started becoming apparent despite wrestling still being critically good
. Don't get me wrong, I loved Ibushi/Omega from last year and dig spotfests but they weren't good matches. They were merely fun. Perhaps I'm being overly cynical (that is a trait of mine) but I can't help but think that in, say, 40 years time fans will be looking back at the matches we hold dear now with vehement disdain purely because they lack an overusage of thigh slaps or BRAIN-BUSSTTAAAAHHH~! spam. By jove, I hope I'm wrong, though.