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Old 02-10-2013, 05:55 AM   #17241 (permalink)
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Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus WM28
Fuck, I didn't even consider it. Might replace Taker vs Bossman as the 4th worst.
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Old 02-10-2013, 05:57 AM   #17242 (permalink)
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Alright, I've been compiling my top list of matches... which I will eventually post... trying to get to 1,000 (might settle at 500 if 1,000 isn't possible as I'm not even sure if I've seen 1,000 matches). I just need to get some ideas of matches I may have missed and should add, or matches I need to watch, and as such, I'd like the top 10-20 (or however many you'd like to put) from each of these guys (preferably WWE only, but if something is REALLY good and not too long, I'll consider venturing out into unknown waters):

CM Punk
Daniel Bryan
Kane
Sheamus
Mark Henry
Big Show
Edge
Ric Flair (I have the Steamboat matches on my "list of matches to watch")
Bret Hart
The Rock
Austin
HHH
HBK
Angle
Benoit
Lesnar

The first 6 are the ones I'm really interested in seeing, mainly because you don't see their top lists as much as others (well, I don't anyway), but go for any and all of them if you wish.

Oh, and add in your best divas matches if you want.
I'll have a crack at Edge:

vs M. Hardy - Unforgiven 2005
vs Undertaker - Wrestlemania XXIV and Summerslam
TLC I, II, III
+ Mysterio vs Angle + Benoit - NM 2002 and Smackdown
vs Guerrero vs Angle vs Benoit - Smackdown
vs Guerrero No DQ - Smackdown
vs Flair TLC - RAW
vs Foley - Wrestlemania 22
Smackdown Elimination Chamber 2011
vs Ziggler - Royal Rumble
vs Orton vs Michaels vs Cena

personal favourites mostly

and if you're putting Sheamus/Bryan as a worst WM match, you've got to have Kane/Chavo too
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Fuck, I didn't even consider it. Might replace Taker vs Bossman as the 4th worst.
My first mania came all the way from Australia, to see dat boy D Bryan and its over before I sat down. Worst thing was my mate called it that morning. I was mentally depressed till HBK came out

All things considered it has to be the worst mania match for me ever.
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Tried watching some old school wrestling (flair/windham flair/steamboat) and just couldn't get emotionally invested into it. Old school wrestling tends to be slow, chop after chop, punch after punch, lots of restholds, armdrags and hardly any believable near falls. Now don't get me wrong I love technical wrestling but old school wrestling just seems to fucking bore me, It feels like a chore sitting through some matches and a lot of the wrestlers seem really slow and lathargic. Just my opinion, anyone else feel the same?

I feel like wrestlings progressed a lot over the years and become more exciting, I just don't see the praise over some old school wrestling matches.
No-one really appreciates old school wrestling for the agility and athleticism though, like I have no qualms with you not digging it, its cool. We all have different tastes and that's what makes for fun discussion as opposed to everyone pimping the same thing.

To me the beauty of old school wrestling is the simplicity. The structure, the timing, the pacing, the character dynamics all work to overcome the largely simplistic wrestling. Ric Flair didn't wrestle matches 100 other guys couldn't of in terms of bumps and offence, but it was his ability to time and make each transition and sequence matter in the greater context, combined with his injection of his charisma and presence into his matches to create a compelling babyface vs heel dynamic. The beauty of Windham/Flair and Steamboat/Flair is how the rookie naivety of Windham plays into every transition into Flair offence, and in Steamboat's case its the matter of two equals duelling and timing each transition in a way that makes both look magnificent.

Don't even get me started on the beauty of 80s blood baths. The grainy footage can be hard to watch but I adore its visual. Makes everything look seedly, raw and insanely violent especially when you've got people like Lawler, Duggan, Sawyer and Dundee pouring blood and stiffing the crap out of each other. The reactions they can generate from simple punching and selling is incredible and whilst the majority of the brawls are punch and kick based...it comes off as an authentic brawl. I'm not a fan of the modern generation of weapons and props having to compensate for the ability to just punch a dude you dislike square in the jaw and draw blood. Its all in the simplicity and characteristics between the moves that makes 70s and 80s old school wrestling so enigmatic.

As I said though, you not digging it is cool. We're all different and that's what makes this thread so interesting.

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Old 02-10-2013, 06:39 AM   #17245 (permalink)
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I'll add these for Edge:

Edge/Christian/Kurt Angle v Too Cool/Rikishi Judgment Day 2000(I don't care what you do, what anyone does, what anything ANYTHING ANYTHING. WATCH. THIS. MATCH.)
w/Christian v Taker/Rock SD 11/00 (IDR the exact date, but it's probably the best 2-on-2 E&C tag)
Any match with Orton in 2004. They had three, I think? Probably more.
v Michaels 1/22/07 (I THINK I liked this....I think)
v Orton 4/30/07 (I don't REALLY remember this personally but it has fans)
v Benoit 6/8/07 (I'd call this the second best Edge match ever tbh. Benoit with the great performance three weeks before he dies)
v John Morrsion 6/19/09 (he wasn't champ at the time, but this was almost like Edge's take on Ric Flair. Sort of. I mean he kind of felt like the big man on campus while Morrison was trying to pull off an upset. He had a nice hierarchy formula laid out. Edge is what, 6'5"? This was one of the only times I can remember where he actually felt that tall, and it sort of seemed like Morrison had to chop him down. Good shit. I don't think too highly of Edge, and he did still some stuff in this match I really dislike, but I'd love it if he worked liked this more often)

Does the TLC with Cena hold up?


@WOOLCOCK agreed with the part about the VQ. I think there's a certain charm to shitty ass grainy taping of some matches that almost add to the experience and make it feel so classic. In some ways it's like the sprites on the Super Nintendo - I just love that look and style. There's just a feel to it that's almost legendary. I think it's actually a bit of a shame the whole 'HD/great quality' thing is so important to some people.

That said there are some VQs that I would like to change. I mean there's "charming style of video quality" and then there's "this MS-1 v Sangre Chicana was great a second ago but IDK what the fuck is going on right now"
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:42 AM   #17246 (permalink)
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Since this is the thread for Official DVD Discussion thread, brought the Volume 4 Wrestlemania Anthology 2000-2004 last week. Gotta say, as much as I hated the dubbed themes and blurred out WWF logos.. I still loved the era as much as I did love it when it was happening.
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Old 02-10-2013, 06:46 AM   #17247 (permalink)
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My first mania came all the way from Australia, to see dat boy D Bryan and its over before I sat down. Worst thing was my mate called it that morning. I was mentally depressed till HBK came out

All things considered it has to be the worst mania match for me ever.
That sounds brutal. D-BRY is the guy I would've bought tickets for as well. I was sitting at home watching and it almost ruined my night. I can only imagine how it would've felt live. Sitting through Kane/Orton was such a chore. Trips/Taker/HBK basically saved Mania for me that night.

Thinking about it, it's ridiculous that Bryan is still yet to have a match at Mania. He better get some time this year. Damn it Vince, stop bumping him!

Watched some of ER12 last night. So great.

Bryan/Sheamus - ****
Punk/Jericho - ***3/4
Brock/Cena - ****1/2
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Been years since I bought discs from Corey, but I never had any problems. You just have to check to make sure if the sets are one big set or multiple ones thrown together lol. Like the 14 disc Malenko set I got from him is actually about 4 different sets with a couple of repeats here and there. He has been upgrading a lot of his sets over the years though, adding menus and joining sets together so they ARE just one. But yeah, definitely read through the listings page to fully make sure first.
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@WOOLCOCK agreed with the part about the VQ. I think there's a certain charm to shitty ass grainy taping of some matches that almost add to the experience and make it feel so classic. In some ways it's like the sprites on the Super Nintendo - I just love that look and style. There's just a feel to it that's almost legendary. I think it's actually a bit of a shame the whole 'HD/great quality' thing is so important to some people.

That said there are some VQs that I would like to change. I mean there's "charming style of video quality" and then there's "this MS-1 v Sangre Chicana was great a second ago but IDK what the fuck is going on right now"
Agreed. There's something about HD and the overproduced shots of current WWE that sort of dilutes the passion and authenticity of a fight. I'm not saying they should be abandoning their cameras and production, because its top notch. But it does sort of scream how overly produced and set up it is. Compare that to a shaky cam in the 80s, the Memphis set up looking grainy, the blood and dirty ring canvas immediately catching your eye, the dim light arena making it hard to see a crowd except for the ridiculous noise they're making. Like Chicana/Perro 2/28/86 might be one of my most favourite matches in terms of visuals. The way they bump and punch and fly everywhere around ringside and the way the camera setup makes the whole thing feel seedy, dirty and chaotic just completes the match. Like in any setting that match would be incredible, but does it give off this 'to quote Andy human cockfighting' vibe in 2013 WWE with the HD shots and clean presentation? Sometimes seeing the poor quality just adds to how low cut everything is and allows the passion and energy to translate through the screen more than in an aesthetically greater camera.

MS-1/Chicana is pretty horrid to watch at certain points, luckily the bulk of what we get is just visible enough to take away the hatred and harrowing violence. Chicana/Villano might be the worst I've ever seen. It legit was blacked out to the point you could only spot them if they were in the centre of the ring.
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I also really hate the current set up of the big WWE shows (or hell, even the TV tapings). I remember watching Mania 27 and Edge came out in the opener and the only thought running through my head was how friggin small he looked on that gigantic entrance stage. It really makes the wrestlers (supposed to be THA STARS) seem so tiny and over shadowed by the production. Maybe it's just me, but lot of the time I prefer the smaller set-ups without fifty thousand graphic screens in the arena and the not-HD cameras.
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