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post #17131 of 20566 (permalink) Old 02-09-2013, 01:42 PM
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Screw it, throwing more CONTRAVERSY around with some more of WeAreProWrestling's lists:

- WM HBK matches:
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1 - vs. The Undertaker WM25 - *****
2 - vs. Kurt Angle WM21 - *****
3 - vs. The Undertaker WM26 - *****
4 - vs. Razor Ramon WM10 - *****
5 - vs. Bret Hart WM12 - *****
6 - vs. Triple H vs. Chris Benoit WM20 - *****
7 - vs. Chris Jericho WM19 - *****
8 - vs. Ric Flair WM24 - *****
9 - vs. John Cena WM23 - ****3/4
10 - vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin WM14 - ****1/2
11 - w/Marty Jannetty vs. Haku & Barbarian WM7 - ***1/2
12 - w/Marty Jannetty vs. The Orient Express WM6 - ***1/2
13 - vs. Diesel WM11 - ***1/2
14 - vs. Tatanka WM9 - ***1/2
15 - vs. Vince McMahon WM22 - ***1/4
16 - w/Marty Jannetty vs. The Twin Towers WM4 - ***1/4
17 - vs. Tito Santana WM8 - ***
- The Streak (WM Taker) matches:
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1 - vs. Shawn Michaels WM25 - *****
2 - vs. Shawn Michaels WM26 - *****
3 - vs. Triple H WM28 - *****
4 - vs. Triple H WM27 - ****3/4
5 - vs. Edge WM24 - ****1/2
6 - vs. Kane WM14 - ****1/4
7 - vs. Batista WM23 - ****1/4
8 - vs. Triple H WM17 - ****1/4
9 - vs. Randy Orton WM21 - ***3/4
10 - vs. Ric Flair WM18 - ***1/4
11 - vs. Diesel WM12 - ***1/4
12 - vs. Mark Henry WM22 - **1/2
13 - vs. Jake Roberts WM8 - **1/4
14 - vs. Jimmy Snuka WM7 - **
15 - vs. Sycho Sid WM13 - **
16 - vs. The Big Show & The A-Train WM19 - **
17 - vs. Kane WM20 - **
18 - vs. The Big Boss Man WM15 - DUD
19 - vs. King Kong Bundy WM11 - DUD
20 - vs. The Giant Gonzales WM9 - DUD
DAMN. Taker got as much DUD's as ***** matches, while HBK gets not more, not less than EIGHT ***** matches at WM alone. That is, in this guy's opinion. CONTROVARSY CREATES DEM CASH, they say.



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I like Sting/Flair from COTC I. That was the night Sting was born, so to speak. Flair made him that night. ****1/4 - ****1/2. Wouldn't go the full 5 or anything like that.

The other Sting/Flair match I like besides COTC I is the 7/7/90 match. ***1/2 - ***3/4.



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Only DUD I have for Taker at WM is the Bossman HIAC. At least he manages to tell a good story in the Bundy/Gonzales matches. Gonna be watching every WM to do write ups like I did for the RR starting next week, so I'll have some STARS and shit... next month when I start posting them . Wanting to get as many done as possible before I have to actually post them so I'm not behind like I nearly got with the RR ones . Plus I need to get them done so I can work shit into a video script and get that done on time. Still working on my RR one. Nearly done now though .



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Wow. That guy is a bigger fucking joke than I ever could have imagined. Is it possible for somebody to suck HBK's dick anymore than he is doing ? GOD DAMN. Some of his ratings such as the Flair match are just ghastly, and I know it's all personal preference but FFS have some criteria in which you rate your matches because if you have THAT MANY MATCHES @ 5 stars, something's wrong.

Gonna give this much away from my Wrestlemania project, I'm currently done I-XV , and I can tell you that there's only been one DUD from Taker so far and we all fucking know what piece of garbage that match is. It's all pretty fucking fresh in my mind and I can clearly tell you things from my point of view subjectively.

Kurt-HBK 5 Stars ? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.





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Meh, I don't think HBK/Angle being ***** is that far-fetched, only just as much as the triple threat WM20 match and not anywhere near as much as HBK/Flair and HBK/Bret. Putting those latter two anywhere near 5 stars is blasphemous (in my opinion), though the former two I could understand.

The Taker list has some crazy stuff as well from my point of view, and I'm looking right at Taker/HHH WM27 being ****3/4. The WM28 match... well... feels like I tell my opinion on it every week, so take a guess at what I think. Rest of the list I don't find too bad and don't differ too much from my own opinions.

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Yeah, some of those ratings are crazy. I like HBK/Bret more than most, but it is certainly not 5 stars. I'm more in the **** range with that, same with HBK/Kurt **** - ****1/4 at the most. HBK probably has the most impressive WM resume of all time, but the ratings that guy gives for those two matches are over the top. Gotta be fair. Also, Taker from the early 90s through the Attitude Era has alot of junk on his WM resume. Not all of that is his fault, given how he was booked to be a monster who barely had to sell, and some of the trash he had to wrestle against. But it's still there.



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The way I figure it is if you're within 1/2* of my ratings, you're not terribly wrong.

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I'm definitely going to get to HBK-Angle and love it like I did when I first saw it , I swear to god at one point in my life I thought the HBK-Angle series was the OMFG'Z MOSTEPICTHINGEVA and thinking it was the best match of 2005.... Well that's not true because I always adored Batista-Trips HIAC. Pretty sure the first few times I saw it I had it at **** 3/4 and then it dropped to **** 1/4 and eventually to **** where it currently sits.

Don't get me wrong, I think the match is fucking great, but some of Kurt's nonsense in the match kind of drags it down for me a little bit. It's almost in the same boat as the HBK-Bret IRONMAN when I watched it the other day ; I was a fan (unlike a fucking ton of people, wouldn't make my top 100 or anything or even come close) but it wasn't OMFGEPICZ like some people like to describe it as.

I still have three matches left to watch from WM 14 which for some reason isn't in my Anthology set ; HHH-Owen , Taker-Kane, and HBK-Austin ...... The three matches from the event that I own on DVD, watched all the stuff I don't own online. REALLY loved those three matches on last watch so I can't wait to check this shit out now. If HHH-Mankind from Summerslam 1997 was Hunter's first great BIG match, than this is his first really great Mania match IMO.





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The way I figure it is if you're within 1/2* of my ratings, you're not terribly wrong.
I agree. That's always been my thought process, too.



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Wow. That guy is a bigger fucking joke than I ever could have imagined. Is it possible for somebody to suck HBK's dick anymore than he is doing ? GOD DAMN. Some of his ratings such as the Flair match are just ghastly, and I know it's all personal preference but FFS have some criteria in which you rate your matches because if you have THAT MANY MATCHES @ 5 stars, something's wrong.

Gonna give this much away from my Wrestlemania project, I'm currently done I-XV , and I can tell you that there's only been one DUD from Taker so far and we all fucking know what piece of garbage that match is. It's all pretty fucking fresh in my mind and I can clearly tell you things from my point of view subjectively.

Kurt-HBK 5 Stars ? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.
He says his criteria for a 5-star match is amazing wrestling, amazing storytelling, and historical significance. Which probably explains why matches like Angle/Taker NWO 06 aren't ***** in his mind - great wrestling but not too historically significant. The Flair/HBK match may have gotten that rating because of all the emotion surrounding it.

But if you think those are controversial, I suppose you have saw his entire ***** match list, which I posted a couple pages back. On the topic of the guy, here's his Top 15 Halloween Havoc list:

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1 - Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio '97
2 - Cactus Jack vs. Vader '93
3 - Barry Windham & Dusty Rhodes vs. Steve Williams & Stunning Steve Austin '92
4 - Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair '94
5 - Lex Luger vs. Brian Pillman '89
6 - Dean Malenko vs. Rey Mysterio '96
7 - DDP vs. Goldberg '98
8 - Ric Flair & Arn Anderson vs. Doom '90
9 - Randy Savage vs. DDP '97
10 - The Midnight Express vs. Ricky Morton & Tommy Rich '90
11 - The Steiners vs. The Nasty Boys '90
12 - Ric Flair & Sting vs. Arn Anderson & Brian Pillman '95
13 - DDP vs. Johnny B. Badd '95
14 - Ricky Steamboat vs. Brian Pillman '92
15 - Ric Flair & Sting vs. Terry Funk & The Great Muta '89



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