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Old 02-09-2013, 05:31 AM   #17071 (permalink)
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John Cena/HBK that high?
I'd have it at the same spot, with Flair/Savage being second instead of Hart/Michaels.

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Trying to put together a list of all Punk title defenses for a set I'm making, anyone spot anything I've missed

Survivor Series 2011 vs ADR
Raw 11/28/11 vs ADR
TLC 2011 vs Miz vs ADR

Raw 1/2/12 vs Dolph Ziggler
Royal Rumble 2012 vs Dolph Ziggler
Elimination Chamber 2012 vs Chris Jericho vs Kofi Kingston vs Miz vs R-Truth vs Dolph Ziggler
Wrestlemania XXVIII vs Chris Jericho
Raw 4/2/12 vs Mark Henry
Raw 4/9/12 vs Mark Henry
Raw 4/16/12 vs Mark Henry
Extreme Rules 2012 vs Chris Jericho
Over The Limit 2012 vs Daniel Bryan
Smackdown 5/29/12 vs Kane
No Way Out 2012 vs Daniel Bryan vs Kane
MITB 2012 vs Daniel Bryan
Raw 1000 7/23/12 vs John Cena
Summerslam 2012 vs John Cena vs Big Show
Night Of Champions 2012 vs John Cena
Hell In A Cell 2012 vs Ryback
Survivor Series 2012 vs Ryback vs John Cena

Raw 1/7/13 vs Ryback
Royal Rumble 2013 vs Rock
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ANOTHER random topic since we're on the subject of Taker ; Five best opponents that AREN'T SHAWN MICHAELS ?

.... AAAANNNDDDD Go.

1) Kurt Angle (far and away. He could even arguably be number 1.)
2) Batista (When these two mixed it up in 07, it was always gold, and even their worst match wasn't really a terrible match.)
3) Brock Lesnar (Hell in a Cell and Unforgiven are awesome matches, and the Biker Chain match is great as well. Not to mention that cage match I saw a couple of months ago, it was great too. These two haven't had anything resembling a bad match in the slightest)
4) Edge (Their classic Cell match, the amazing Wrestlemania main event, the excellent Backlash match and even a very good JD match are all evidence to show just how great Taker and Edge are together. Taker has given Edge some of his best singles matches ever, including his very best in the cell.)
5) John Cena (Now this one may sound crazy, and it probably is, but think about it... they have (arguably) three **** matches already, and that was when Cena was terrible in the ring and Taker hadn't hit his peak. Taker gave Cena the best matches of his career up until Cena finally got good in late 06-07. I don't think they've really had a bad match either. Even their Raw match in late 06, was short, but still a decent match. Almost wish they had wrestled at WM27 when both men were at their peaks and killing it at every PPV. Would've been a classic and I'm sure better than the Cena/HBK match and maybe even the Taker/Batista match. I hope they could still put some magic together at WM30).

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1 - The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin WM17 - *****
2 - Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels WM12 - *****
3 - John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels WM23 - ****3/4
4 - The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin WM15 - ****1/2

5 - Ric Flair vs. Randy Savage WM8 - ****1/2
6 - Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels WM14 - ****1/2
7 - Kurt Angle vs. BORK LASER WM19 - ****1/2
8 - CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho WM28 - ****1/2
9 - Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle WM20 - ****1/4
10 - Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan WM5 - ****1/4
11 - Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior WM6 - ****
12 - Diesel vs. Shawn Michaels WM11 - ***1/2
13 - Randy Orton vs. Triple H vs. John Cena WM24 - ***1/2
14 - Sgt. Slaughter vs. Hulk Hogan WM7 - ***1/2
15 - John Cena vs. Triple H WM22 - ***1/4
16 - Randy Savage vs. Ted DiBiase WM4 - ***1/4
17 - Elimination Fatal 4-Way WM16 - ***1/4
18 - Batista vs. John Cena WM26 - ***1/4
19 - Hulk Hogan vs. Andre The Giant WM3 - ***
20 - Chris Jericho vs. Triple H WM18 - ***
21 - Bret Hart vs. Yokozuna WM9 - ***
22 - Hulk Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy WM2 - ***
23 - Yokozuna vs. Bret Hart WM10 - **3/4
24 - The Miz vs. John Cena WM27 - **1/4
25 - Triple H vs. Randy Orton WM25 - **1/4
26 - Sycho Sid vs. The Undertaker WM13 - **
27 - Yokozuna vs. Lex Luger WM10 - **
28 - JBL vs. John Cena WM21 - *3/4
29 - Yokozuna vs. Hulk Hogan WM9 - DUD
In bold are the matches I'd disagree with. Hart/HBK WM12 doesn't deserve anywhere near *****, and I'd put it more around ****. Same thing with Rock/Austin WM15, HBK/Austin WM14, and Cena/Michaels WM23. I'd also put Miz/Cena much lower, giving it a star at most.
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This match rules the world and everyone should definitely watch it.
Did you watch that Eddie/Jericho v Faces of Fear match from Nitro yet? You must've watched that, right?
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Top 5 Non HBK Undertaker Opponents:

MICK FOLEY - Foley was the guy (and the feud) that allowed Undertaker to evolve from Zombie Dead Man to "I'm fucking great and can do so much more" Dead Man. They had some great "normal" matches, the most impressive (visually) HIAC match of all time, and they made a match where you BURY YOUR OPPONENT ALIVE actually WORK. And it was great. They had amazing chemistry that carried into different match types (except Boiler Room Brawl. That blew chunks). Some of my favourite Undertaker matches are with Foley.

Kurt Angle - Without a doubt imo Angle's best opponent (Austin is a close second). They had some great TV matches together in 01/02, and underrated PPV match at Survivor Series 00, then that incredible SD match in 03, incredible PPV match at NWO in 06, and the awesome SD rematch in 06.

Batista - And without a doubt Batista's best opponent too. Nobody even comes remotely close for me. Their worst match together was that chairs match crap in 09, which was terrible for various reasons (Undertaker injured, terrible booking of the finish). Their 07 series is incredible. MOTY for WWE at WM, my personal favourite match between the two at CS, a tremendous LMS match at BL (MOTN for me too), a great cage match on SD, and a very underrated cage bout at SS too imo. Even their 2 TV matches in 08 were good. Plus you can include the awesome triple threat with Edge at Armageddon too since it was mostly Undertaker and Batista battling it out. They really seemed to have the whole "clash of the titans" style down to a tee.

Randy Orton - Another awesome series to take place over a year, this time back in 05. WM is a classic, SS imo is even better, their SD match is awesome, the handicap casket match is just amazing (fuck you. you know who you are. its fucking amazing. COWBOY BOB > you), and the HIAC is just immense and imo the MOTY ahead of even the great HHH/Batista HIAC and matches like HBK/Angle.

Triple H - You have WM 17, the awesome tag at BL, a few TV matches from 00/01, WM 27 and 28. And the last portion of... uhhh... one of the chamber matches. Ignore the 02 stuff (what 02 stuff? they never faced each other in 02. ever. stop saying they did) and that rather horrible 08 SD match and you can't go wrong with these two.

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Kane - Mainly for their actual feuds, which for the most part I always loved. They do have a great WM match in 98, and that awesome SD bout, and a fun brawl in 2010, and they did their best in the inferno matches, but they also have some really fucking "stink up the joint" matches too which brings their work together down.

JBL - Some really great bouts in 04, and some TV matches in 05 too. Really good, somewhat overlooked matches.

Big Show - They've been wrestling each other since 99. And had a TON of matches. However it wasn't really until 08 that they got their shit together and produced magic. Some 03 stuff was good too.

Brock Lesnar - UF 02, NM 02, some TV stuff in 03 and NM 03. All good matches at least, but not enough matches for me to list him in the top 5.

Edge - A great series in 08, but that god awful TLC match brings it down lol. WM is great, BL and JD are extremely overlooked and underrated. All 3 are a great series with a wonderful story told over all 3 of them, so its best to watch in order. TLC ruins the whole thing, then they bring it back with HIAC, which I find to be a tad overrated.
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How is Foley not being put in people's lists for Undertaker's top 5 best opponents yet Edge has made it?

Edge series was quite good outside of one match, but really? Undertaker vs Mick Foley is the first thing I always jump to whenever I think of each.

And yeah, Guerrero & Jericho vs Faces of Fear from '97 is quite stellar.
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How is Foley not being put in people's lists for Undertaker's top 5 best opponents yet Edge has made it?

Edge series was quite good outside of one match, but really? Undertaker vs Mick Foley is the first thing I always jump to whenever I think of each.

And yeah, Guerrero & Jericho vs Faces of Fear from '97 is quite stellar.
Exactly what I was thinking. FOLEY was the #1 name I thought of too. Surprised to see no Orton too.
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Joining in on the Faces of Fear vs Eddie/Jericho love. Ridiculously fun tag with the FOF being super as the monsters decimating Eddie and Jericho who are great trying to find ways back into the match and using their speed and agility to counteract the power of the FOF. Think I'd have Powers of Pain vs The Rockers 1/15/90 ahead of it as far as monster heels vs plucky babyface tags go but both are excellent.
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Exactly what I was thinking. FOLEY was the #1 name I thought of too. Surprised to see no Orton too.
Even as a HOF'er he still gets no respect. </3

Orton is quality. Although he's in the same boat as Edge for me. b/c I HATE the handicap casket match in their series. Rest rock though.

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Joining in on the Faces of Fear vs Eddie/Jericho love. Ridiculously fun tag with the FOF being super as the monsters decimating Eddie and Jericho who are great trying to find ways back into the match and using their speed and agility to counteract the power of the FOF. Think I'd have Powers of Pain vs The Rockers 1/15/90 ahead of it as far as monster heels vs plucky babyface tags go but both are excellent.
I need to see that. If not again and my memory has escaped me. Don't think I've gotten around to it though. I did have a hunch those two teams would work well vs each other. I do own an MSG show where the main event was a 6 man with Rockers & Duggan vs Powers of Pain & Fuji, but iirc, the match is kind of weak. Don't hold me to it. Only bringing it up b/c it shook my confidence on if my mindset was correct in Rockers vs PoP being good.

What a long winded bit of tripe that response was. I need to see the match. I should have only said that.
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I need to see that. If not again and my memory has escaped me. Don't think I've gotten around to it though. I did have a hunch those two teams would work well vs each other. I do own an MSG show where the main event was a 6 man with Rockers & Duggan vs Powers of Pain & Fuji, but iirc, the match is kind of weak. Don't hold me to it. Only bringing it up b/c it shook my confidence on if my mindset was correct in Rockers vs PoP being good.

What a long winded bit of tripe that response was. I need to see the match. I should have only said that.
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Rockers vs Powers of Pain, MSG (1/15/90)

Holy shit, this only goes 10 minutes but what we get is freaking incredible and should be mandatory viewing for anyone. Rockers run some really excellent cat and mouse spots in the beginning and use their quickness and athleticism to counter-act the power of their opponents and we get some really fun 'almost got 'em' sequences before Jannetty gets a little too cute and ends up being dropped with a big powerbomb.

Jannetty's FIP spell is truly superb. He takes about 5 or 6 lunatic bumps which look disgusting and the POP are really tremendous in brutalising him with power based offence whilst also distracting the ref long enough to illegally choke Jannetty as well as have Fuji assault him with the cane. Crowd are ridiculously loud for everything going on and the hot tag to Shawn is brilliantly timed and the finishing stretch is tons of fun with the Rockers again using their agility to evade and turn the tide on their bigger adversaries. Finish sees Fuji trip Michaels coming off of the ropes and has him eat a flash pin. Really excellent sub 10 minute match with tons of nutty bumps from Jannetty, a breathtaking pace, some really intricate and entertaining Cat and Mouse sequences with the Rockers toying with the POP and some great power offence from the POP.
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