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Old 02-08-2013, 04:34 PM   #17001 (permalink)
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Henry's selling of the ankle in this is fucking awesome

edit Bryan just got fucking destroyed by a clothesline
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:37 PM   #17002 (permalink)
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Gonna rewatch the cage match now. Got a good link?

edit He wasn't champ yet for this one? The cage match when he was champ must've been the triple threat. Got confused. Still would like to see this, though.
You're thinking about the triple threat against Henry and Show when Bryan was champ. That was solid but doesn't hold a candle to Henry/Bryan.

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Honestly leaning on it being my TV MOTY for 2011. Masters/Mcintyre Superstars in May and Cena/Mysterio Raw jump out as being better, but I adore everything they achieve in such short time. Its definitely my favourite of the year.

Henry is better than Bryan imo which really demonstrates his ability when you factor in Bryan was excellent as the passionate and fiery babyface. Loved how Henry sold the ankle well enough to make it obvious he was hindered and vulnerable, yet he was still able to retain his aura and presence to make Bryan's plight engaging and dramatic. Bryan bumped tremendously and I loved how he altered his plan from fending Henry off and looking to escape, to trying to actively win the match when he notices Henry's ankle hurting him. LOVED the callback to their first match in early Novemeber when Henry countered the Lebell lock by deadlifting Bryan. He does it again only this time Bryan is aware and slips into a submission targeting the ankle to surprise Henry. Such smart work with a great heel and face peformance, strong nearfalls timed superbly and a conclusive finish which protects Bryan and makes Henry look incredible and tenacious.
It's the absolute perfect 10 minute cage match. Agreed about Henry being the better guy in it, which says a hell of a lot because I don't think Bryan could've offered anything more as a babyface in a David v Goliath type match. They were both fantastic.
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Bryan is absolutely fantastic in those matches with Henry. Never been a fan of Henry, still not.
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It's the absolute perfect 10 minute cage match. Agreed about Henry being the better guy in it, which says a hell of a lot because I don't think Bryan could've offered anything more as a babyface in a David v Goliath type match. They were both fantastic.
Honestly might be the best work Bryan's done in WWE, even if Extreme Rules vs Sheamus and Over The Limit vs Punk are better matches. He plays the babyface looking to win the biggest match of his career as well as he's ever done and like you said could barely have done anything more to raise his performance. Henry was just indescribably good and it saddens me there are people who'll still call Henry subpar even when he's knocking out performances of that quality. To sell as well as he did and still make Bryan the clear underdog and elevate him to the extent he did is excellent work by Henry, and Bryan demonstrated how well he can work when he's not confined to a comedy character and short tag team matches.

Thoughts on Mcinytre/Masters May 2011 btw? I adore it and think its the best match during the 09-11 Superstars era of great TV matches. Arguably Masters' best performance from his 2010-11 run as well which is truly saying something for how consistent he was on a week to week basis.
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No joke when did Henry become such a strong worker? I don't recall much gold from him prior to his 2011 run.
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Henry/Punk and Henry/Bryan were 2 awesome TV feuds. I think I'd rank the top stuff as:

Henry/Punk I > Henry/Bryan Cage > Henry/Punk III

second Henry/Punk isn't anything, I seem to recall it being quick and with a DQ finish. Don't remember any other Henry/Bryan matches well enough. Cage with Henry/Bryan/Show is fun but not much else.

EDIT: Henry showed signs of greatness a bunch of times prior to his 2011 run, but he was never consistent at all. You can see some good stuff from him going back all the way to 02, then a little big here and there pretty much every year afterwards, but it only seemed to be for a couple of matches at a time, or a match or two spread out over the year so you never really noticed.
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No joke when did Henry become such a strong worker? I don't recall much gold from him prior to his 2011 run.
I think its clear the potential has always been there. 2006 was arguably the first year he got a real chance to work the monster heel run up the card and he shined with the Mysterio matches in particular really sticking out as excellent david vs goliath matches. After that he had some very good matches and performances in 2008 when he was ECW Champ and feuding with Matt Hardy, then he petered out and turned face for the best part of a couple of years before the heel turn and greatness that was 2011. Think he had a fun match vs Orton as a super face as a surprise opponent one night on Raw, but that was about it.

Its clear though the monster heel role is something he was born to play. He's an agile bumper as well for a man his size but its the way he implements his charisma and presence into his work that makes his control segments so entertaining and investing in his matches. He bumps well, strings a smart match together and knows how to time the big spots and moments in a match in a way that will draw a reaction. A very smart, astute and overlooked worker who understands the importance of perfecting the fundamentals to compensate for his size meaning he lacks the agility to wrestle a more 'entertaining' match to casuals.

edit Cal the first Henry/Bryan match from November is very good for the time given. Goes about 6 minutes but they work in a really good shine period for Bryan where he obliterates Henry and the crowd goes ballistic and it comes off as the moment in the match that really showcased how invested the crowd could be in a Bryan/Henry match. They have a match the week after which was a lesser bout and more of a Henry domination.

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Thoughts on Mcinytre/Masters May 2011 btw? I adore it and think its the best match during the 09-11 Superstars era of great TV matches. Arguably Masters' best performance from his 2010-11 run as well which is truly saying something for how consistent he was on a week to week basis.
Haven't seen it. Took a pretty long break from wrestling around then which is why I'm only now seeing Bryan/Henry for the first time. Missed most (basically all) of Masters' second stint in the company. I'll have to give that match a look when I get the chance, along with the Masters/Ziggler match that HayleySabin loves.
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Pretty great way of putting it, WOOLCOCK. Does he still do that move that's a guillotine on the middle rope but he slides through the ropes to the outside? I've always found that to be extremely impressive for a man his size.
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Haven't seen it. Took a pretty long break from wrestling around then which is why I'm only now seeing Bryan/Henry for the first time. Missed most (basically all) of Masters' second stint in the company. I'll have to give that match a look when I get the chance, along with the Masters/Ziggler match that HayleySabin loves.
Oh man, you're in for a treat. Amazing limb selling from Masters, great control segment by Mcintyre, smart structure from Mcintyre being frustrated and overwhelmed early, then a gloriously cocky and methodical bastard when in control, great teasing of the Masters comeback before a smart finishing stretch with Masters incorporating his injury into his offence, a smart callback spot to a short February Smackdown match between them and a great finish with brilliant selling that completes the entire story. Their August 2010 encounter is also very good, albeit just below. Its 8/26 and has Regal/Goldust as the opener in another strong showing.

Masters/Ziggler is excellent and surreal. All built around the Masterlock vs The Sleeper and its amazing how well Masters bumps and times everything. Between the pair of them they make the battle to lock on their submission the decisive issue in who wins the match and its such smart work and credit to both that the fans are into it considering how basic and simple it is.

Honestly Masters' run was rivalling Christian's 2009 in terms of consistently great week to week performances and matches. Doesn't have the coup de grace that is Christian/Swagger 2/24/09, but he was putting in wonderful performances every week, got himself very over considering he was a glorified curtain jerker and was sadly saddled by his past reputation and violating two wellness tests meaning they never trusted him enough to put him on TV even in a small midcard push.

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Pretty great way of putting it, WOOLCOCK. Does he still do that move that's a guillotine on the middle rope but he slides through the ropes to the outside? I've always found that to be extremely impressive for a man his size.


can't recall for certain. Think it varies on a match to match basis. Guess the only way he'd drop it is if his knees began to play up and it proved an unwanted hassle.

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